I watched parts of the high-def version of the movie on my tablet today at lunch. From what I could tell, they appear to be a blue/grey color. I also bought the pdf ebook anystar. Hope to have it in my mailbox when I get home tonight. I am kind of leaning towards how things looked on screen then being 100% accurate on colors. Will wait until I see what the ebook has to say.
I agree about having more variety visible in the portholes and will see what I can do about that.
I do have a question this time. Are the colored panels on the TMP Enterprise more blue or green? I've seen both as in the photos below. Was there a difference between the movies or is it more the lighting and processing of the images that make the difference? I've also seen textures from other 3D models that were both blue and green oriented.
Al
EG is correct.
The motion picture had a mostly pearl- blue over most of the ship with distinct area have a SLIGHT strong hint of blue. You know you're looking at the original paint job if the Torpedo Venting at the rear of the Neck is Black. If it's blue then then this is the repair and repainting just before TWOK. In TWOK the ship got touched up a bit. But it wasn't major...For the Film White Balanced was carried over mostly from TMP because they used the same shots for FX.
For TSFS the white balanced was carried over significantly into the blues for the film. The Excelsior model was given a blue ish paint job in it's patching but was still mild. The same was done with the Spacedock since they were be in the same shots and even still they had to very the tinting so that in Spacedock both ships would stand out from the inner wall. So Enterprise is a pale grey tinted blue and Excelsior is blue-black and greys and the Space dock is litteral a different contrast. To further distinguish the ships spots lights were added.
In TUC The Enterprise is a different model (I believe a small 4 foot model) and the Excelsior was completely repainted. The blues on the ship are much much stronger adding more definition to the line work on the bottom... the florescent UV paint used to light up the lines of the lower sensor dome and torpedo tubes on the stardrive have been completely painted over.
In TUC The Enterprise is a different model (I believe a small 4 foot model)
There is (I believe) one shot in TUC that uses the smaller model. Everything else is the good old TMP ship. (Someone with a better memory or stronger Google fu can back me up on that.) Actually I think they even used the larger scale "neck" model from TWOK for a shot or two.
There's a pretty exhaustive discussion of the entire build process of both the original and the refit models on Memory Alpha, including surfacing changes between TMP, TWOK, and onward all the way through TUC. Worth reading, if you're curious about the model's history!
Unfortunately, this color issue is something that has plagued modelers and Trekkies in general for years, much like the debates over the exact color of the TOS ship and whether or not it has grid lines. Unfortunately, a lot of the "references" are showing the ship shot in different lighting, which doesn't help matters one bit. This topic has even been such a problem that various "alternate" decal sheets have been released for plastic models the ship, including for Polar Lights' latest efforts:
They have more, but that's just to give you an idea. So, definitely don't feel alone when looking at the pics and going: "Wait, what color is that?" And that's just for one ship. There are plenty of "alternatives" for the other ships in ST's fleet also.
There is (I believe) one shot in TUC that uses the smaller model. Everything else is the good old TMP ship. (Someone with a better memory or stronger Google fu can back me up on that.) Actually I think they even used the larger scale "neck" model from TWOK for a shot or two.
I heard differently.
I'm not sure if it's right... what I heard was that certain individuals were looking to get rid of the 6 footer because of issues with packing and lifting. In certain scenes I can certainly tell the difference. I knew there was a 4 foot model and I believe they used it for especially all the damage scenes in that movie with the manuvering the camera would need. I don't know if the destruction of the original model was true.
If I recall, the removal of the pearlescent look was necessary due to certain factors... I think one was the fact that it was being filmed in front of a blue screen at ILM rather than that black backdrop like TMP...
When I do the painting for my 1:350 refit model, I plan to drop using a pearlescent paint and just go with a flat white coat... I like the pearlescent look, but I prefer the way the model looked in TUC...
Well, since Andy Probert designed the refit, perhaps he has proper color information, at least how he intended her to look, he's told me numerous times when it comes to the ENT-D that the studio did what they wanted instead... hence the overzealous panel detail on the 4 foot model... but side issue, main point, Andy might be able to hook you up with proper paint color information...
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There's a pretty exhaustive discussion of the entire build process of both the original and the refit models on Memory Alpha, including surfacing changes between TMP, TWOK, and onward all the way through TUC. Worth reading, if you're curious about the model's history!
Yeah there it is!
From the linked article:
"I hate that model. I think it's made out of lead. I don't know what's inside to make it so heavy; it took eight guys to mount it for a shot and a forklift to move it around. (...) I'll probably get attacked about his, but I'm just not crazy about the original design of the Enterprise. It's a shape that does not lend itself easily to looking good in the frame. It's hard to come up with angles that read like anything. There are only two good angles on it." (Cinefantastique, issue 44, Vol. 12, issue 5/6, pp. 54-55) and, "I hate that ship. I've said it a hundred times, but it's true. I think it's ugly – the most silly looking thing. The model is murder to work with, so I'm glad it's gone," he recalled while preparing the Enterprise for destruction in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
But I guess I took it too literally this guys hatred for the model.
Turns out they kept it but was majorly repainted for Star Trek IV's appearance.
Wow, thanks folks. That's a lot of information to digest.
I did get the ebook (Star Trek, Creating the Enterprise) in my mailbox tonight and after a quick look at it, Paul Olsen (the man who painted the Enterprise) said that the color was kind of a sage green. I'm still leaning towards the blue scheme as that is how it appears in pictures and films. It was pretty funny seeing the decal sets in the different color schemes. Guess you have to cover your bases! Maybe that is what I should do with the textures, a blue set and a green set. Then after I release the model, you can choose which version you prefer.
Anyway, for a quick update, I worked on the greeble detail around the shuttle bay last night and tonight.
It's the difference between real colour and filmed colour. Remember how the uniforms in Enterprise were almost purple the first three years? You just gotta go with what feels RIGHT to you.
Paul Olsen (the man who painted the Enterprise) said that the color was kind of a sage green.
If you read correct what Olsen says, then it will be clear that there is green AND bleu on the ship. He did not paint the entire ship, some areas where painted before he got the model, and some areas are just green or bleu because of the material used (these have no paint at all).
If you read correct what Olsen says, then it will be clear that there is green AND bleu on the ship. He did not paint the entire ship, some areas where painted before he got the model, and some areas are just green or bleu because of the material used (these have no paint at all).
Ooops, my bad. I just skimmed through until he got to painting the Enterprise and only did a quick read of that. And this folks, is how bad information gets spread.
Brandenberg, I am no where near a master. You are much closer with all the work you put into your Klingon ship. That is absolutely beautiful.
Spent the last little bit working on the torpedo area and engineering hull. Still have the neck to re-do, but I think I need to take a bit of a break. My wife is becoming a computer widow and I need to rectify that! Will see what I can get done on my lunch at work.
... I think I need to take a bit of a break. My wife is becoming a computer widow and I need to rectify that! Will see what I can get done on my lunch at work.
Al
Be carefull!
My wife and kids sometimes say IAâm taking to much time with my pc, fact that will make them to give an end in my hobby.
When it occurs, Shopping, parks, dinner in a cool place and use of a credit card :devil: takes precedence.
Just kidding! Take a break, itAâs always welcome and is a pleasure to stay with your family. :thumb:
Oooohh... a nice dinner out sounds like a great idea. Thanks.
I reworked the engineering hull on my lunches and ended up with this, which things look so much better and not as angular as the first one I had. Guess it takes me more than once to come up with something I am happy with.
I love the shuttle-bay area, especially since I appreciate how hard it is to model neatly, no matter what program you use. Plus overall the ship is looking pretty freakin amazing!
I am getting close to finishing the major modeling sections. There are a lot of little greebles and things to do yet, but it is getting closer to looking like the Enterprise. I've been working on the warp nacelles and pylons lately. They've been kind of hard to do, at least for me. It's like I have to model something 3, 4 or 5 times to get something that I end up being happy with.
It's kind of funny. At first I was quite happy with the textures I had made. But the more I work on the model, the more I want the textures to be of higher quality. A wee bit hard since I suck at doing textures! But, you gotta' learn someday...
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I watched parts of the high-def version of the movie on my tablet today at lunch. From what I could tell, they appear to be a blue/grey color. I also bought the pdf ebook anystar. Hope to have it in my mailbox when I get home tonight. I am kind of leaning towards how things looked on screen then being 100% accurate on colors. Will wait until I see what the ebook has to say.
Al
EG is correct.
The motion picture had a mostly pearl- blue over most of the ship with distinct area have a SLIGHT strong hint of blue. You know you're looking at the original paint job if the Torpedo Venting at the rear of the Neck is Black. If it's blue then then this is the repair and repainting just before TWOK. In TWOK the ship got touched up a bit. But it wasn't major...For the Film White Balanced was carried over mostly from TMP because they used the same shots for FX.
For TSFS the white balanced was carried over significantly into the blues for the film. The Excelsior model was given a blue ish paint job in it's patching but was still mild. The same was done with the Spacedock since they were be in the same shots and even still they had to very the tinting so that in Spacedock both ships would stand out from the inner wall. So Enterprise is a pale grey tinted blue and Excelsior is blue-black and greys and the Space dock is litteral a different contrast. To further distinguish the ships spots lights were added.
In TUC The Enterprise is a different model (I believe a small 4 foot model) and the Excelsior was completely repainted. The blues on the ship are much much stronger adding more definition to the line work on the bottom... the florescent UV paint used to light up the lines of the lower sensor dome and torpedo tubes on the stardrive have been completely painted over.
The color seems to change based on the lighting...
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They have more, but that's just to give you an idea. So, definitely don't feel alone when looking at the pics and going: "Wait, what color is that?"
I heard differently.
I'm not sure if it's right... what I heard was that certain individuals were looking to get rid of the 6 footer because of issues with packing and lifting. In certain scenes I can certainly tell the difference. I knew there was a 4 foot model and I believe they used it for especially all the damage scenes in that movie with the manuvering the camera would need. I don't know if the destruction of the original model was true.
When I do the painting for my 1:350 refit model, I plan to drop using a pearlescent paint and just go with a flat white coat... I like the pearlescent look, but I prefer the way the model looked in TUC...
Well, since Andy Probert designed the refit, perhaps he has proper color information, at least how he intended her to look, he's told me numerous times when it comes to the ENT-D that the studio did what they wanted instead... hence the overzealous panel detail on the 4 foot model... but side issue, main point, Andy might be able to hook you up with proper paint color information...
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Yeah there it is!
From the linked article:
"I hate that model. I think it's made out of lead. I don't know what's inside to make it so heavy; it took eight guys to mount it for a shot and a forklift to move it around. (...) I'll probably get attacked about his, but I'm just not crazy about the original design of the Enterprise. It's a shape that does not lend itself easily to looking good in the frame. It's hard to come up with angles that read like anything. There are only two good angles on it." (Cinefantastique, issue 44, Vol. 12, issue 5/6, pp. 54-55) and, "I hate that ship. I've said it a hundred times, but it's true. I think it's ugly – the most silly looking thing. The model is murder to work with, so I'm glad it's gone," he recalled while preparing the Enterprise for destruction in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
But I guess I took it too literally this guys hatred for the model.
Turns out they kept it but was majorly repainted for Star Trek IV's appearance.
I did get the ebook (Star Trek, Creating the Enterprise) in my mailbox tonight and after a quick look at it, Paul Olsen (the man who painted the Enterprise) said that the color was kind of a sage green. I'm still leaning towards the blue scheme as that is how it appears in pictures and films. It was pretty funny seeing the decal sets in the different color schemes. Guess you have to cover your bases! Maybe that is what I should do with the textures, a blue set and a green set. Then after I release the model, you can choose which version you prefer.
Anyway, for a quick update, I worked on the greeble detail around the shuttle bay last night and tonight.
Al
The shuttlebay area is looking great.
Shuttlebay area detail looks great.
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If you read correct what Olsen says, then it will be clear that there is green AND bleu on the ship. He did not paint the entire ship, some areas where painted before he got the model, and some areas are just green or bleu because of the material used (these have no paint at all).
Ooops, my bad. I just skimmed through until he got to painting the Enterprise and only did a quick read of that. And this folks, is how bad information gets spread.
Sheepishly, Al.
Brandenberg, I am no where near a master. You are much closer with all the work you put into your Klingon ship. That is absolutely beautiful.
Spent the last little bit working on the torpedo area and engineering hull. Still have the neck to re-do, but I think I need to take a bit of a break. My wife is becoming a computer widow and I need to rectify that! Will see what I can get done on my lunch at work.
Al
Be carefull!
My wife and kids sometimes say IAâm taking to much time with my pc, fact that will make them to give an end in my hobby.
When it occurs, Shopping, parks, dinner in a cool place and use of a credit card :devil: takes precedence.
Just kidding! Take a break, itAâs always welcome and is a pleasure to stay with your family. :thumb:
I reworked the engineering hull on my lunches and ended up with this, which things look so much better and not as angular as the first one I had. Guess it takes me more than once to come up with something I am happy with.
Al
It's improved.
I am getting close to finishing the major modeling sections. There are a lot of little greebles and things to do yet, but it is getting closer to looking like the Enterprise. I've been working on the warp nacelles and pylons lately. They've been kind of hard to do, at least for me. It's like I have to model something 3, 4 or 5 times to get something that I end up being happy with.
It's kind of funny. At first I was quite happy with the textures I had made. But the more I work on the model, the more I want the textures to be of higher quality. A wee bit hard since I suck at doing textures! But, you gotta' learn someday...
Al
I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Nothing like this has happened while I've been working on my Ambassador. Oh wait... :rolleyes:
I feel your pain, man.
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looks like you've done outstanding so far though!