"Now onto the LCARS, which given the amount of screens here might be the biggest challenge of this room..." @Rekkert I think no one would mind if a couple of the panels were in a standby mode, or running a cycle of something so are not in their active busy state
@evil_genius_180: Thanks! Yeah, the Defiant was intended to be destroyed during FC, and Ira Steven Behr had to put a stop to that, but the Sovereign was never intended to appear outside of the movies, producers thought doing so could "confuse viewers". Same reason why the Intrepid never appeared in the movies or DS9 in the background, and writers had to go to great lengths to make producers happy about the USS Bellerophon in DS9, just so they could save money and reuse the Voyager sets.
Still, the amounts of internal politics during EVERY era of Trek was insane, wish I could share the stuff I read and hear speaking with the folks involved at work.
@mdta: Heh, I already have it easy enough not having to do animations, so at least I want to do the static screens properly.
Started with some small LCARS and then tackled the glass panel today, as I wanted to confirm how readable it was or if I'd have to remove it.
I based the graphic on a similar one from the Defiant engineering. I decided I wanted the ship to be pointing forward from both sides, so only the information displayed at the sides flips. The glass itself is tinted to ease with readability, otherwise the writing from the other side makes it way too confusing.
For the bottom part of the graphic I'm just reusing the random numbers they used on the alternate Enterprise-D bridge from 'Parallels' where this glass partition was used.
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@evil_genius_180: Thanks! Yeah, the Defiant was intended to be destroyed during FC, and Ira Steven Behr had to put a stop to that, but the Sovereign was never intended to appear outside of the movies, producers thought doing so could "confuse viewers". Same reason why the Intrepid never appeared in the movies or DS9 in the background, and writers had to go to great lengths to make producers happy about the USS Bellerophon in DS9, just so they could save money and reuse the Voyager sets.
Still, the amounts of internal politics during EVERY era of Trek was insane, wish I could share the stuff I read and hear speaking with the folks involved at work.
It amazes me how little they think of their viewers. They thought we might think Sovereign class ships were the Enterprise and Intrepid class ships were the Voyager, so they left them out so we wouldn't be confused. Yet, they had SWARMS of Galaxy class ships. If they think we're so friggin' stupid, weren't they worried we'd be like "Hey, wasn't that ship destroyed in Generations?" Though, I also know that's the truth. Alex Jaeger designed way more than four ships for the Borg battle in FC, but some designs were discarded because the shapes were too similar to the Enterprise-E. And the Galaxy class was left out of the battle specifically for the reason mentioned above.
As for internal politics, I think some of us are better off not knowing. I know I am.
Loving the displays so far.
It amazes me how little they think of their viewers. They thought we might think Sovereign class ships were the Enterprise and Intrepid class ships were the Voyager, so they left them out so we wouldn't be confused. Yet, they had SWARMS of Galaxy class ships. If they think we're so friggin' stupid, weren't they worried we'd be like "Hey, wasn't that ship destroyed in Generations?" Though, I also know that's the truth. Alex Jaeger designed way more than four ships for the Borg battle in FC, but some designs were discarded because the shapes were too similar to the Enterprise-E. And the Galaxy class was left out of the battle specifically for the reason mentioned above.
As for internal politics, I think some of us are better off not knowing. I know I am.
Not to mention the whole "Constitution/Constellation" fiasco. I don't think a single viewer would have mistaken the Stargazer for the Enterprise. Though in the end it was for the best since we got a "new" class of starship.
The more I look at the vertical MSD, the more it makes sense over the pool table. Especially in a smaller engine room.
Added a bunch more rectangles and circles and stuff to make the glass divider graphic more busy, I'm calling it done now. I started with the remaining LCARS keyboards but it's taking me a while as the space there is really limited so I'm doing several new elements, I'll show it properly when I have it further along.
Rewatching some Voy scenes I noticed the Jefferies junction door on engineering is a bit shorter than the standard doors, not reaching the floor. This makes sense as it was that way in TNG as well, but I never noticed it before on Voyager, so I adjusted the Jefferies junction door here to match.
Finally, I increased the intensity of the new rectangular ceiling light fixtures. Because of their warm color they balance out the blues from the warp core, giving the room a more neutral tone, and obviously making it overall more lit which was my main intention.
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Loving the displays so far.
It amazes me how little they think of their viewers. They thought we might think Sovereign class ships were the Enterprise and Intrepid class ships were the Voyager, so they left them out so we wouldn't be confused. Yet, they had SWARMS of Galaxy class ships. If they think we're so friggin' stupid, weren't they worried we'd be like "Hey, wasn't that ship destroyed in Generations?" Though, I also know that's the truth. Alex Jaeger designed way more than four ships for the Borg battle in FC, but some designs were discarded because the shapes were too similar to the Enterprise-E. And the Galaxy class was left out of the battle specifically for the reason mentioned above.
As for internal politics, I think some of us are better off not knowing. I know I am.
Not to mention the whole "Constitution/Constellation" fiasco. I don't think a single viewer would have mistaken the Stargazer for the Enterprise. Though in the end it was for the best since we got a "new" class of starship.
The more I look at the vertical MSD, the more it makes sense over the pool table. Especially in a smaller engine room.
Indeed, they wouldn't have confused it with the movie Enterprise. But there were other reasons for the switch. One was that NOBODY wanted to deal with the extremely large and heavy Enterprise refit filming model. That model got a reputation over the years for being hard to deal with. The other main reason was that Probert and Sternbach campaigned hard to have their design used for the ship. I don't know if confusion with the movie Enterprise was used as a reason, but it may have been. I think they were trying to use anything they could to get their design used.
Sorry if I missed an earlier explanation, but I was reading in this thread that you had redone your website and in particular there were links to Cerberus, Yeager, and Emmet Till, but those are were gone from tadeodoria.com the next day and are still missing (Edit: not gone, just not where the links are pointing to). Hopefully you are just finishing them off and are going to put them back up. Yes ?
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know, in case you weren't aware. :-)
Edit: Well, this is interesting. I did find them, but not at the urls that those links point to; I just dug around the site until I found them.
@paulbhartzog: Heh, been modifying the website over the weekend, you just commented before I had a chance to mention it
Took a rest from the Budapest engineering for a bit, though I'll be back at it soon. After looking at some data and thinking about where I wanted to take things, I modified my website quite a bit (again). First, I removed the full lists with all the ships listed alphabetically and chronologically. I thought they'd be more useful for people, but from analytics I can see they aren't very used, and they're a pain to maintain because of how ArtStation does things.
Instead of having individual pages for each ship, I now have them for each starship class. This way if I have, say, multiple Excelsior-class ships listed, they all share a single place on the menu, under which they'll each have their little text descriptions and interiors. Plus it allows me to incorporate a single class description at the top. Plus this is easier to identify for most people, "Akira Class" is simply more well known that "USS Thunderchild", and so on. I took this chance not only to write descriptions for each class of ship I'm featuring, but also to do another pass at each ship and each interior's accompanying text, so it was a lot of work writing it all hahah.
The drive for this change is that I intend to do several "quick redresses" relatively soon, for example taking the Potemkin interiors and redressing them for a TMP era Excelsior-class, that sort of thing.
Unrelated to the website, and going back to the USS Budapest, working on its engineering room made me reconsider some aspects of its bridge, so today I did some modifications to it. Most notably I just moved the dedication plaque to a new area and added alert status indicators flanking the egress doors. Plus I changed the circuitry access panels (seen at the right on these renders) with the new version I did for engineering, which is more accurate to how they looked on Voyager. You can see more renders (and read up on the ship) in the new Norway Class page.
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@BolianAdmiral: Haha, they still don't work for me, but I'm glad at least they do to you.
Finished the MSD for the front end of the room. Its layout is based on the Defiant engineering MSD, so it has the cutaway at the top with more displays below it.
In this case however, I replicated two elements from Voyager's LCARS for the bottom. And I took the chance to rework the cutaway graphic itself, adding more details (Voy-style warp core, type-6 shuttles on the bay, turbolift shafts, etc.) and more text entries around it. I'll replicate this on the bridge MSD next time I render it.
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@BolianAdmiral: Haha, they still don't work for me, but I'm glad at least they do to you.
Finished the MSD for the front end of the room. Its layout is based on the Defiant engineering MSD, so it has the cutaway at the top with more displays below it.
In this case however, I replicated two elements from Voyager's LCARS for the bottom. And I took the chance to rework the cutaway graphic itself, adding more details (Voy-style warp core, type-6 shuttles on the bay, turbolift shafts, etc.) and more text entries around it. I'll replicate this on the bridge MSD next time I render it.
Awesome job!
Glad you didn't take the first MSD for inspiration (the chubby "Valiant" stage).
@lennier1: lol, that graphic... I have things to say about it, but you'll have to wait until next year
Finished the two remaining LCARS panels! These were something different than usual because they're vertical rather than horizontal, which we didn't see very often in this style.
Also, I slightly tweaked the MSD yet again, reducing the number of warp coils to match the graphic on the glass panel.
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Man, I just love how you nailed the essence of the Voyager engineering set and still gave it its own personality.
And nice job injecting some DNA from the concept drawings for the Voyager set.
That looks great, like your interiors always do. It's also nice to see the Norway class getting some love. Since the CGI model was corrupted when they went to convert it for use on DS9, that's a ship that really hasn't seen a lot of screen time. But, I've always liked it.
@lennier1: I intend to do that concept piece as Appalachia's engineering one day. I didn't consciously draw inspiration from it here, but with the raised ceiling I definitely see the similarities now.
Remember the USS Yeager ready room? Work on it was finished, but I was waiting for a 3D render I commissioned from Angelos Karderinis to be complete. In the meantime Blender 4.0 released so I tweaked the lights and materials with the new goodies, and rendered it with the new AgX View Transform rather than the old Filmic.
And here's Angelos' piece in full glory, I'm super happy with how it turned out!
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@Rekkert I think no one would mind if a couple of the panels were in a standby mode, or running a cycle of something so are not in their active busy state
Still, the amounts of internal politics during EVERY era of Trek was insane, wish I could share the stuff I read and hear speaking with the folks involved at work.
@BolianAdmiral: So do I, but of course I'd say that.
@Warp Propulsion Laboratory: Thanks very much!
@mdta: Heh, I already have it easy enough not having to do animations, so at least I want to do the static screens properly.
Started with some small LCARS and then tackled the glass panel today, as I wanted to confirm how readable it was or if I'd have to remove it.
I based the graphic on a similar one from the Defiant engineering. I decided I wanted the ship to be pointing forward from both sides, so only the information displayed at the sides flips. The glass itself is tinted to ease with readability, otherwise the writing from the other side makes it way too confusing.
For the bottom part of the graphic I'm just reusing the random numbers they used on the alternate Enterprise-D bridge from 'Parallels' where this glass partition was used.
It amazes me how little they think of their viewers. They thought we might think Sovereign class ships were the Enterprise and Intrepid class ships were the Voyager, so they left them out so we wouldn't be confused. Yet, they had SWARMS of Galaxy class ships. If they think we're so friggin' stupid, weren't they worried we'd be like "Hey, wasn't that ship destroyed in Generations?"
As for internal politics, I think some of us are better off not knowing. I know I am.
Not to mention the whole "Constitution/Constellation" fiasco. I don't think a single viewer would have mistaken the Stargazer for the Enterprise. Though in the end it was for the best since we got a "new" class of starship.
The more I look at the vertical MSD, the more it makes sense over the pool table. Especially in a smaller engine room.
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Rewatching some Voy scenes I noticed the Jefferies junction door on engineering is a bit shorter than the standard doors, not reaching the floor. This makes sense as it was that way in TNG as well, but I never noticed it before on Voyager, so I adjusted the Jefferies junction door here to match.
Finally, I increased the intensity of the new rectangular ceiling light fixtures. Because of their warm color they balance out the blues from the warp core, giving the room a more neutral tone, and obviously making it overall more lit which was my main intention.
Indeed, they wouldn't have confused it with the movie Enterprise. But there were other reasons for the switch. One was that NOBODY wanted to deal with the extremely large and heavy Enterprise refit filming model. That model got a reputation over the years for being hard to deal with. The other main reason was that Probert and Sternbach campaigned hard to have their design used for the ship. I don't know if confusion with the movie Enterprise was used as a reason, but it may have been. I think they were trying to use anything they could to get their design used.
@PreViz: Yes, all vectors on Inkscape
@mishasiegfried: Thanks!
Did the LCARS for the two small consoles by the warp core, based on similar Voyager displays.
Yeah, I figured that was the case. I like the idea of doing interiors, but it's the thought of doing all of the screens that always stops me.
It's always nice to see Inkscape get a shout out. I love that program.
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know, in case you weren't aware. :-)
Edit: Well, this is interesting. I did find them, but not at the urls that those links point to; I just dug around the site until I found them.
Took a rest from the Budapest engineering for a bit, though I'll be back at it soon. After looking at some data and thinking about where I wanted to take things, I modified my website quite a bit (again). First, I removed the full lists with all the ships listed alphabetically and chronologically. I thought they'd be more useful for people, but from analytics I can see they aren't very used, and they're a pain to maintain because of how ArtStation does things.
Instead of having individual pages for each ship, I now have them for each starship class. This way if I have, say, multiple Excelsior-class ships listed, they all share a single place on the menu, under which they'll each have their little text descriptions and interiors. Plus it allows me to incorporate a single class description at the top. Plus this is easier to identify for most people, "Akira Class" is simply more well known that "USS Thunderchild", and so on. I took this chance not only to write descriptions for each class of ship I'm featuring, but also to do another pass at each ship and each interior's accompanying text, so it was a lot of work writing it all hahah.
The drive for this change is that I intend to do several "quick redresses" relatively soon, for example taking the Potemkin interiors and redressing them for a TMP era Excelsior-class, that sort of thing.
Unrelated to the website, and going back to the USS Budapest, working on its engineering room made me reconsider some aspects of its bridge, so today I did some modifications to it. Most notably I just moved the dedication plaque to a new area and added alert status indicators flanking the egress doors. Plus I changed the circuitry access panels (seen at the right on these renders) with the new version I did for engineering, which is more accurate to how they looked on Voyager. You can see more renders (and read up on the ship) in the new Norway Class page.
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@calamity_si: Thanks mate!
@BolianAdmiral: Haha, they still don't work for me, but I'm glad at least they do to you.
Finished the MSD for the front end of the room. Its layout is based on the Defiant engineering MSD, so it has the cutaway at the top with more displays below it.
In this case however, I replicated two elements from Voyager's LCARS for the bottom. And I took the chance to rework the cutaway graphic itself, adding more details (Voy-style warp core, type-6 shuttles on the bay, turbolift shafts, etc.) and more text entries around it. I'll replicate this on the bridge MSD next time I render it.
Glad you didn't take the first MSD for inspiration (the chubby "Valiant" stage).
Finished the two remaining LCARS panels! These were something different than usual because they're vertical rather than horizontal, which we didn't see very often in this style.
Also, I slightly tweaked the MSD yet again, reducing the number of warp coils to match the graphic on the glass panel.
And nice job injecting some DNA from the concept drawings for the Voyager set.
@lennier1: I intend to do that concept piece as Appalachia's engineering one day. I didn't consciously draw inspiration from it here, but with the raised ceiling I definitely see the similarities now.
Remember the USS Yeager ready room? Work on it was finished, but I was waiting for a 3D render I commissioned from Angelos Karderinis to be complete. In the meantime Blender 4.0 released so I tweaked the lights and materials with the new goodies, and rendered it with the new AgX View Transform rather than the old Filmic.
And here's Angelos' piece in full glory, I'm super happy with how it turned out!