oh HAH last night's, or rather yesterdays work. Again thought I had posted this but nope lol.
Mostly getting all the angles right and changing that lower pod into something more part of the upper bit of nacelle. The odd collection of same angles near the back was originally thought of as a later venting system but the visual clusterfuck it creates Im not so sure. I might give a go at cleaning it up. I plan to have some grids and other hull details that will unify things more but the difference in surface heights bother me as well as that bounced light sheesh, I need to recheck the material settings as something might have gone out of control. Granted if you have seen anything in a pebble finish silver anno on aluminum it does so this strange effect. I am just not sure I want it on a ship nor have it be so specific it looks like a error.
loose idea of the "vent" have to collapse things to do more cut ins. Also tempted to see if I can narrow up that lower part near the cyl so those brackets can be angled to the center of the nacelle more. Only issue is it would impact the profile near the warp grill glass. Also tempted to eek a small gap between thosde 2 hull parts so a small sliver of glow can be seen between them. All a mess of brain farting as I model as mentioned there are no hard plans as I go just winging it all.
oops I didnt have the right numbers int he images. I yanked off the blocvk things cause it was just too much clutter. Render is some cheap hollowing out of the nacelles.
Not a huge update stuck coils in the nacelles and unified the blue bits around the ship. Some remain that light powdered blue but most are now the deeper blue. Some of the blue regions are still up in the air if I will retain them or go with something else or change the pattern.
Wireframes for no real reason, except to show off some of the ugly topology and rando mess I just didnt bother cleaning up. (points at central hull, particularly the pink bit)The top down one is faked as max displays top and bottom with the front at the top of the screen. So it might be slightly off.
Huge PNGs cause well, they are smaller in size and do not suffer jpgitus. (srsly jpg is 2 to 3 X the size.)
oops forgot to add images and post lol. Got distracted cleaning the wires on that above mentioned part. . . . . . . . .
This might be a bit of a mistake in the works but we will see. . . .
It will def affect the geometery of the parts but I do not think in a way that is really obvious without sitting down with a wireframe and high rez. Maybe a few cm here or there in how much the blue warp grill is exposed from the inner side vs outer side. Area I am most concerned with is the trailing hull as that is a pile of edges flying aft-ward into nothing as well as the added loop to sustain the strut loops. I also really wanted more of a flare and a good detachment point (loops that run inline with a good panel line (like the base of the struts) But It looks like that wont happen as too many edges to find homes for. This is the possible mistake part tied in to the fact if I give up this attempt will remain as a possibility. . . . .
If this works out Ill be patching these in to the existing struts. Last image kinda shows the drawbacks of this, the harder angle to the lower hull caused by the trailing edge of the strut. Well more caused by the loops needed there for it. I might be able to manually remove that flat spot but I might not have the clearance to do such.
Well collapsed and optimized some, still could loose some of the edge density but meh for now. I kinda ponder if I should have kept the lower lip on the nacelle where the strut joins. But changing that now means redoing all the clean up and joining of the old struts into the object so , dunno.
oof that last one I really need to get in and chamfer the sharp edges as the AI blurs it all together. Also strange shadow is from the light gizmos, I really should go in and turn those off. It has thrown me off 3 times already.
I love that engine design. And I always enjoy how smooth your work is. Even subtle things like that transition from the pylon to the nacelle are seamless.
Decided nacelles and struts need a break and started on the mundane work around the ship that needs doing. This change in the material merging in of detached parts is driving me insane it just seems unable to know that material X is X on all objects and instead just assigns some random mat ID and blacks it out (black mat denoting a lack of a material) so Ill have stuff assigned as I model all get reset to the fing black mat instead of seeing mat X is mat X elsewhere and unifying the ID numbers. SO yeah I go from sliver window frames to black and black grids turning blue. (this latter I dunno wtf changed that) This has never been a issue for all the decades of using max and only has been a issue in the last year or less.
Sigh.
Is this some real change made to max or a possible option stupidly assigned to a single key on the keyboard and me we-wahhing accidentally with max in focus or the cats walking on the keyboard?
This is the dialog and my classic settings when remerging or attaching bits of mesh back into the original or unioning them. Second option doesnt alter assigned mats to the polies but it does not have the condense option so I just reproduces multiples of IDs and I dunno that sounds like a bad idea outside of the annoyance of selecting mats later on by ID.
well whatever for now here is a rough render of the start of the holes.
I really should o is get back to other things as this ship was suppose to only be a idea. . . .
FIEWW all the other lower holes punched in and roomed. Was a right pain getting the arrangement to fit in places lol Even with all the planning some rooms are a bit meh. Granted some are more halways to access other areas than actual rooms.
Neck holes. Considered doing unique patterns but meh. Also tempted to do one of the sets as a cross room but didnt but the option is there as it would be easy to move the walls about in the rooms. No uvws on any of these atm as I am reconsidering the interior texture as the current one is a bit dark and room lighting does not really communicate with it. (see all the upper hull windows in past renders for examples)
Upper holes in, oddly easier, least till I nudged things somewhere in the process. . . . . AUGH. All cut in with rooms and lights just the task of detailing the panels etc. Need to detach and uvw the panels too. Kinda had hoped they would spill some light on the struts like the windows on the upper hull or in the neck did but nope. Maybe in properly composited images where there isnt so much ambient they might.
bit of a missed opportunity as I look at the rneders of aligning the neck windows to some on the secondary hull. Give more of a unified feeling granted though the deck locations are so dissimilar they likely would never line up due to all the stuff that passes through the hull etc.
Toying with adding windows on the spine. Not fully sure about it as I usualy hint that the neck spine area is a behind the scenes area running up and down the neck on ship, kind of like a dumb waiter for supplies or that million stair access way when the lifts are down.
Messing with the torp housings as I was oddly retaining a cowling over the cowling and some old TMP like bits. So I eliminated those and it brings the housing down in girth so I went about minimizing the openings. I will likely have to address this on the aft units but those are all sort of rough work anyway. Does bring into question how much I was using these parts mindlessly in other models.
aaaand yes, the deflector is freaking on the HDRI, it is cause the blue is a solid object with sides that kinda float next to the gold bits so there is a inner side wanting to reflect the hdri as well as the gold doing the same and well clearly it is going bonkers.
sigh Im seeing that damned bleed through of the background again so again the single hotkey bullshit strikes again. NOW to remember what setting it is to get rid of it. . . . Also means the backdrop is tainting the render to some degree.
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Mostly getting all the angles right and changing that lower pod into something more part of the upper bit of nacelle. The odd collection of same angles near the back was originally thought of as a later venting system but the visual clusterfuck it creates Im not so sure. I might give a go at cleaning it up. I plan to have some grids and other hull details that will unify things more but the difference in surface heights bother me as well as that bounced light sheesh, I need to recheck the material settings as something might have gone out of control. Granted if you have seen anything in a pebble finish silver anno on aluminum it does so this strange effect. I am just not sure I want it on a ship nor have it be so specific it looks like a error.
I like the nacelles the way you have them here… the terraced look to the bottom works, IMHO.
Huge PNGs cause well, they are smaller in size and do not suffer jpgitus. (srsly jpg is 2 to 3 X the size.)
oops forgot to add images and post lol. Got distracted cleaning the wires on that above mentioned part. . . . . . . . .
It will def affect the geometery of the parts but I do not think in a way that is really obvious without sitting down with a wireframe and high rez. Maybe a few cm here or there in how much the blue warp grill is exposed from the inner side vs outer side. Area I am most concerned with is the trailing hull as that is a pile of edges flying aft-ward into nothing as well as the added loop to sustain the strut loops. I also really wanted more of a flare and a good detachment point (loops that run inline with a good panel line (like the base of the struts) But It looks like that wont happen as too many edges to find homes for. This is the possible mistake part tied in to the fact if I give up this attempt will remain as a possibility. . . . .
If this works out Ill be patching these in to the existing struts. Last image kinda shows the drawbacks of this, the harder angle to the lower hull caused by the trailing edge of the strut. Well more caused by the loops needed there for it. I might be able to manually remove that flat spot but I might not have the clearance to do such.
oof that last one I really need to get in and chamfer the sharp edges as the AI blurs it all together. Also strange shadow is from the light gizmos, I really should go in and turn those off. It has thrown me off 3 times already.
Sigh.
Is this some real change made to max or a possible option stupidly assigned to a single key on the keyboard and me we-wahhing accidentally with max in focus or the cats walking on the keyboard?
This is the dialog and my classic settings when remerging or attaching bits of mesh back into the original or unioning them. Second option doesnt alter assigned mats to the polies but it does not have the condense option so I just reproduces multiples of IDs and I dunno that sounds like a bad idea outside of the annoyance of selecting mats later on by ID.
well whatever for now here is a rough render of the start of the holes.
I really should o is get back to other things as this ship was suppose to only be a idea. . . .
some detached panel, outlining and unique uvw (no contiguous pattern across the panels. )
bit of a missed opportunity as I look at the rneders of aligning the neck windows to some on the secondary hull. Give more of a unified feeling granted though the deck locations are so dissimilar they likely would never line up due to all the stuff that passes through the hull etc.
aaaand yes, the deflector is freaking on the HDRI, it is cause the blue is a solid object with sides that kinda float next to the gold bits so there is a inner side wanting to reflect the hdri as well as the gold doing the same and well clearly it is going bonkers.
sigh Im seeing that damned bleed through of the background again so again the single hotkey bullshit strikes again. NOW to remember what setting it is to get rid of it. . . . Also means the backdrop is tainting the render to some degree.