I think the shield dome looks a little bit out of place on this ship.
Personally I wish Fractal would use the sunken dome option more often... :devil:
In any case, regarding the sensor dome appearing on this specific design: if the EU is going to be so inane as to insist that every half-arsed concept "must" be either Kuat Drive Yards or CEC in origin, then any subsequent imaginings on them deserve to be festooned with as many appropriate design cues as possible so as to make up for the crapfest of sketches pumped out by Marvel, West End Games and their ilk ever since the 80s. :rant:
sensor? in every star wars game i've ever played along with pretty strong evidence from return of the jedi - the big spherical globes are shield generators
sensor? in every star wars game i've ever played along with pretty strong evidence from return of the jedi - the big spherical globes are shield generators
sensor? in every star wars game i've ever played along with pretty strong evidence from return of the jedi - the big spherical globes are shield generators
You know,the staff were wondering if this thread might break the forums back in 2010 or so because it had so many posts in a single thread. Six years later it's still going strong. It will probably outlast the site!
fan based speculation is just that - the direct implication of return of the jedi is that the globe is the bridge shield deflector - and every lucas arts game had those globes as the shield generators and once you blew them up the star destroyers shields were down - the fact they are not see on other ships is that they aren't made by the same people and have different shield generators - plain and simple - also sorry but the idea the shield generator is buried in the middle of the ship doesn't work for me either
if we use the prequels then we can see that you need 2 shield generators to form a shield between them - so taking out one of the globes would bring down the shield over the command tower on the executor
obviously unless goerge lucas would like to comment then its up to the individual to decide what they want to believe but to me they will always be shield generators
All of this has happened before, and (apparently) will happen again...
Wait, wrong franchise.
ETA: Although y'know, that would explain why A) technology doesn't advance, and we keep seeing the repeated rise and fall of specifically Sith and Jedi factions in the GFFA... Maybe it's some kind of cosmic/Force cyclical pattern thingymabob. :idea:
up to the individual to decide what they want to believe but to me they will always be shield generators
ILM always called them sensor globes and they look like they do because that's what actual radar domes look like and they put them on the original Star Destroyer design because they wanted to emulate real world warships in their design. If they're shield generators then why don't we see them all over the ship, not just on the tower? USE LOGIC! It's not difficult!
Since this wasn't answered previously - It, like many of the other recent ships that Ansel has made, is from the West End Games Star Wars RPG by way of the TIE Fighter computer games. The Escort Carrier is kind of weird in that it doesn't look like it ever showed up in stories much, just RPGs, video games and reference books. Most of the other ships I remember from the RPG books showed up in multiple novels and comics and got some more lore than just what was in the RPG book behind them, but not the Escort Carrier - it didn't even have a class name until the Fantasy Flight Star Wars games came out and gave it one.
Lovely work as always. It's very practical for fitting in a decent amount of small craft for its size. I imagine the reason we don't see more if it is some imperial admiral said, "Why is it so boxy? I want one that's triangular." and we ended up with the cannon escort carrier based on the Quasar Fire.
I hope I can help lay to rest the sensor/generator debate. Since rebels has come out we have a canon description of the domes, "Standard Imperial Star Destroyers had sixty turbolasers for ship-to-ship combat and planetary assault. A Star Destroyer's sixty ion cannons are used to disable enemy ships in preparation for boarding. The Star Destroyer's superstructure featured an immense command tower housing essential systems, computer controls and the bridge. The command tower was topped by a pair of deflector shield generator domes." This is a passage from the Rebels wiki page about Star Destroyers. The Disney Wiki page has an image labeling them as Deflector shield generators.
I hope I can help lay to rest the sensor/generator debate. Since rebels has come out we have a canon description of the domes, "Standard Imperial Star Destroyers had sixty turbolasers for ship-to-ship combat and planetary assault. A Star Destroyer's sixty ion cannons are used to disable enemy ships in preparation for boarding. The Star Destroyer's superstructure featured an immense command tower housing essential systems, computer controls and the bridge. The command tower was topped by a pair of deflector shield generator domes." This is a passage from the Rebels wiki page about Star Destroyers. The Disney Wiki page has an image labeling them as Deflector shield generators.
I would seem that we have an answer in 2017.
And as always Fractal your skills blow my mind!
*sigh
They're NOT shield generator domes because ILM, the people who BUILT the freaking models, SAID they were SENSOR DOMES. Everything else is nonsense.
Yes, but the company saying it, was never canon. George Lucas said, when he still owned the franchise, that if it isn't in the film its not canon. And now that Disney owns star wars, they say what they are. And as said before no need to be rude. Its just scifi. I just figured an official source would end this 30 year debate.
Yes, but the company saying it, was never canon. George Lucas said, when he still owned the franchise, that if it isn't in the film its not canon. And now that Disney owns star wars, they say what they are. And as said before no need to be rude. Its just scifi. I just figured an official source would end this 30 year debate.
The Rebels cartoon and its associated materials says a bunch of things that are in direct contradiction with the twenty years or so of work that went into getting Lucasfilm to match the written canon to the movie canon - for example acknowledging the prominent turrets to the sides of the star destroyer as the primary armament. Instead, they've gone back to the numbers published by West End Games, which fans have hated since they first laid eyes on the VFX models, and actively removed the turrets from the 3D model used in the show and replaced them with obviously static detail.
Fractalsponge's designs follow the Legends version of the stats, meaning the turrets are turrets and the sensor domes are sensor domes. They make absolutely no sense whatsoever if you use the Rebels interpretation of the Star Destroyer's design, which is why most of us (or at least me, very definitely) are ignoring that Rebels even has Star Destroyers...
Edit: Forgot to say this, which was the reason I opened this thread in the first place: Fractalsponge, seeing as your Executor model is one of if not the oldest you have, what would it take to convince you to redo it using all the new greebles and things you've designed over the years since you made it. with the full complement of weapons referred to on the Legends Wookieepedia article?
Yes but even on wookipedia legends it doesnt agree on what they are either. Just look it up. Now if Fractal says they are sensors on his then they are sensors. However the canon reality is as such, what is seen on screen is the only canon plain and simple. In Jedi those domes are clearly identified as the shield generators. This isn't a debate when you actually listen to whats been said for thirty years now. The only canon is on screen, and now with the new series of books those are counted as well. And while I have never read a legends book I have been reading the new canon and they do refer to them as shield generators numerous times. Im sorry that after all these years its officially not what you thought they were. But the joy of scifi still remains and they can be whatever the creator wants to call them. It just doesnt officially count.
Im curious as to why people seem to be so offended about this. Might be a great discussion thread. I've said my piece Im done.
And fractal I do hope that is you selling your work and no one trying to pull one on you.
If you want to be really specific, then they're just housings that could have all sorts of things in them, which could conceivably differ from ship to ship. Just a thought- maybe those fortunate enough to have nothing more important to get passionate about can take the discussion elsewhere on the forum and nerd out (politely) to their little hearts content though, alternatively take it off SFM and get as irrationally angry as you like.
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Personally I wish Fractal would use the sunken dome option more often... :devil:
In any case, regarding the sensor dome appearing on this specific design: if the EU is going to be so inane as to insist that every half-arsed concept "must" be either Kuat Drive Yards or CEC in origin, then any subsequent imaginings on them deserve to be festooned with as many appropriate design cues as possible so as to make up for the crapfest of sketches pumped out by Marvel, West End Games and their ilk ever since the 80s. :rant:
sensor? in every star wars game i've ever played along with pretty strong evidence from return of the jedi - the big spherical globes are shield generators
I refer you to the generally highly regarded Technical Commentaries.
Posted in 2010!
History repeats itself.
if we use the prequels then we can see that you need 2 shield generators to form a shield between them - so taking out one of the globes would bring down the shield over the command tower on the executor
obviously unless goerge lucas would like to comment then its up to the individual to decide what they want to believe but to me they will always be shield generators
All of this has happened before, and (apparently) will happen again...
Wait, wrong franchise.
ETA: Although y'know, that would explain why A) technology doesn't advance, and
ILM always called them sensor globes and they look like they do because that's what actual radar domes look like and they put them on the original Star Destroyer design because they wanted to emulate real world warships in their design. If they're shield generators then why don't we see them all over the ship, not just on the tower? USE LOGIC! It's not difficult!
Amazing work. I really love the the look of the embedded sensor dome. Are those twin heavies on the top to the sides of the dome?
Since this wasn't answered previously - It, like many of the other recent ships that Ansel has made, is from the West End Games Star Wars RPG by way of the TIE Fighter computer games. The Escort Carrier is kind of weird in that it doesn't look like it ever showed up in stories much, just RPGs, video games and reference books. Most of the other ships I remember from the RPG books showed up in multiple novels and comics and got some more lore than just what was in the RPG book behind them, but not the Escort Carrier - it didn't even have a class name until the Fantasy Flight Star Wars games came out and gave it one.
I remember the good old TIE Fighter game, and how I always ended up ramming the escort carrier each time I perform bombing run on it
I would seem that we have an answer in 2017.
And as always Fractal your skills blow my mind!
*sigh
They're NOT shield generator domes because ILM, the people who BUILT the freaking models, SAID they were SENSOR DOMES. Everything else is nonsense.
Will this madness never end?
The Rebels cartoon and its associated materials says a bunch of things that are in direct contradiction with the twenty years or so of work that went into getting Lucasfilm to match the written canon to the movie canon - for example acknowledging the prominent turrets to the sides of the star destroyer as the primary armament. Instead, they've gone back to the numbers published by West End Games, which fans have hated since they first laid eyes on the VFX models, and actively removed the turrets from the 3D model used in the show and replaced them with obviously static detail.
Fractalsponge's designs follow the Legends version of the stats, meaning the turrets are turrets and the sensor domes are sensor domes. They make absolutely no sense whatsoever if you use the Rebels interpretation of the Star Destroyer's design, which is why most of us (or at least me, very definitely) are ignoring that Rebels even has Star Destroyers...
Edit: Forgot to say this, which was the reason I opened this thread in the first place: Fractalsponge, seeing as your Executor model is one of if not the oldest you have, what would it take to convince you to redo it using all the new greebles and things you've designed over the years since you made it. with the full complement of weapons referred to on the Legends Wookieepedia article?
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Im curious as to why people seem to be so offended about this. Might be a great discussion thread. I've said my piece Im done.
And fractal I do hope that is you selling your work and no one trying to pull one on you.