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  • scifiericscifieric1122 Posts: 1,497Member
    Interesting stuff!
  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    I've always liked your sense of design, and this is no exception.
    Are you just learning Blender?
  • evil_genius_180evil_genius_1804256 Posts: 11,034Member
    That's really cool. Sometimes, minimalist is the best approach.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    I've always liked your sense of design, and this is no exception.
    Are you just learning Blender?

    I've been learning Blender for a few years now.
  • FreakFreak1088 Posts: 4,361Member
    Well that different but I like it!
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    Love the 2.8 viewport shading options and render.

    Last night and today's work: Sensor dome details, EVA hatch, turbolifts, and foward sensor assembly.



  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    Pretty cool. B)
  • evil_genius_180evil_genius_1804256 Posts: 11,034Member
    Those are some nice details.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    I could have gotten crazy like I used too and make the EVA hatch functional, but I'm restraining myself from making details that aren't going to be seen from far away. It is sitting in a shallow Boolean hole to give an appearance of functionality.

    The more I look at the sensor stuff, the less I like it. Might look better to remove the housing and puts the parts in a Boolean recess higher up.

    This as of yet named, or classed, ship is smaller than I had envisioned.

    Note on the engines: the curved sections are the field transmitters, the "guts" are probably the power step-up and management systems.

    A larger model would have shuttle bays, but this one will have two externally docked shuttles on either the back of the primary, or same area of the neck.

    Any Blender users not trying 2.80, it has improved Boolean and Bevel modifiers. The deflector dish and the upper sensor dome are all Booleans. I'm mostly using Bevel with Subsurface modifiers to avoid permanent bevels or control loops, which is perfect for non-destructive conceptualizing. The neck is weighted shrink-wrap, and would probably look better if the secondary hull were lower.
  • FreakFreak1088 Posts: 4,361Member
    I am going to have to get my head around 2.8.
    I played around with it. Having issues where thing are located and the left click. Might have to set it to the 2.79 interface and test it out.
  • evil_genius_180evil_genius_1804256 Posts: 11,034Member
    I didn't even find where you can set it to the 2.79 interface. The left/right click thing can be changed in the preferences.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    I wasn't able to find anything that let you opt for the 2.79 GUI. 2.8 is better organized, it doesn't take long to get used to it. I also have 2.79 as the character modeler ManuelbastioniLAB ended at version 1.61a as is not a compatible addon to 2.8.

    Inset sensor clusters, and added bridge module latching system covers.




    Panel made by drawing shape by extruding verts, creating faces, with solidify and bevel modifiers. Method works well for small panels on curved surfaces.
  • evil_genius_180evil_genius_1804256 Posts: 11,034Member
    That looks great. :)
  • FreakFreak1088 Posts: 4,361Member
  • FreakFreak1088 Posts: 4,361Member
    psCargile wrote: »
    I wasn't able to find anything that let you opt for the 2.79.
    I have been told that the you can do it in User Preferences. Though I have not had a chance to check it out.

  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    Expert detail.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    Some more detailing. Don't know if I like the navigation light as it seems redundant with the larger glowing sensor array.


    Took forever to find the right combination of render samples, light path bounces, and denoise settings to get this dark render to look good. (2500 render samples, default light path bounces (12, 4, 4, 8, 12, 0), denoise radius at 9pxs, strengths both at 0.60. Bought a Dell PC with an NVidia GPU just to run 2.8. This was about a 10 minute render. Can't image how long it would have been on the old laptop with only 4 CPU threads running.)

    Had to find a tutorial on how to do render layers in 2.8. Its now View Layers and they are associated with Collections--nice how we can have objects in more than one collection. Now if Blender developers would make it so we could only apply glare filters to light sources and not everything else in the scene, that would be nice.


    I cut in a large panel on the side, but as it was flush, the panel line was invisible in the render, so I decided to delete it and not bother with it paneling the bridge. I might add a few more smaller ones here and there, but the outer skin can be manufactured as one single piece, so seams aren't necessarily necessary. I also did a Boolean cut for the turbolifts, but there were ugly shading artifacts around the edges even with subsurface set to 4, so I undid that. I could try a data transfer for that surface, or later apply the modifier and retopo--if I want to get that deep into it.


    Eevee renders
    without compositing

    with compositing

    Not happy with the engine "guts" I'm going to redo those, work on a shuttle mock-up to work out docking options, and create a human scale figure to stand around and wave at us.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member

    A single wide mobile home is another way to show scale.
  • TrekMDTrekMD192 Posts: 639Member
    To quote a certain Vulcan...fascinating!
  • McCMcC373 Posts: 704Member
    Great stuff, @psCargile!

    If you want to isolate glare filters to just the luminous surfaces, make sure you're rendering out the Indirect Transmission and Emission passes separately, and then in the Compositor, add them together (possibly using a "Greater "Than node on the Indirect Transmission pass so that it's limited to just the really bright stuff), and then use them as the input into your Glare node. Set the Glare node to a mix of 1, so it's fully the processed glare output and none of the original input, and then use an Add Node to mix that back into your regular image output. That should give you a very nice, and controllable, illumination-only glare.

    You can also take that a step further and do a second, lower-power glare on everything brighter than a certain threshold (again using Greater Than) to get a nice bloom effect on your brightly-light, non-emissive surfaces.

    Hope that helps!
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    Thanks. I'll have to try that.
  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    Advanced stuff McC. Thanks.

    psCargile - It sure seems like you have been using Blender longer that a couple of years. Really great work.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    edited July 2019 #24
    I looked at my models and I started using Blender in 2013. Watched a lot of Blender Guru and Creative Shrimp (I like Gleb's sense of humor) tutorials, and CGI Masters' Hard Surface Modeling course explained a lot. Learning how Blender operates with quad topology was a big help. And the Bevel modifier makes a lot of difference.

    I was watching a tutorial on the 2.8 grease pencil animation, and he had his UI set to the old one, so that is possible. The 3dView had the 2.8 gizmos, but the layout was obviously 2.79. I haven't updated my build yet.

    I should have some uploads tonight.
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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    psCargile wrote: »
    I should have some uploads tonight.

    Looking forward to it.
  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member
    Ok. Who knew downloading and playing with D-NOISE would take up so much of an evening. Oh, yeah... Blender, right? The wonderful world of change parameter, render, change parameter render, repeat, repeat, still looks kinda crappy, repeat, the hell with it. Why does Gleb Alexandrov's renders look so good in his videos? Better computer? (Probably)



    Tinkering around with a external shield grid array.


    D-NOISE test. Still some artifacts like wrinkled paint in the render. Used McC's suggestion for blooming. I haven't played around with passes much as they haven't come up often in the tutorials I've viewed. A lot easier than dealing with a number of different render layers. You'd think in the future they would have better cameras to avoid blooming, but maybe retro images are trendy.


    Blender does better with well lit scenes, or maybe with a few light sources. The D-NOISE denoising doesn't look bad here. I think Blender is telling me that for darker scenes, if I don't want splotches and blotches from its denoiser, I'll have to run a billion samples.

  • evil_genius_180evil_genius_1804256 Posts: 11,034Member
    Those are some really nice looking details. :)
  • BrandenbergBrandenberg1655 CaliforniaPosts: 1,937Member
    edited July 2019 #28
    I don't know about Gleb Alexandrov, but if he's better than you, he must be pretty good. I don't know, a lot of times people on this site talk about lighting nuances and problems and post fixes to their models and I honestly can't tell a great deal of difference between the before and after. Both look good to me. I guess I need to up my standards. :#

    I'm just really glad you're modeling. I remember your drawings and always felt they deserved to be done in 3D.
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  • psCargilepsCargile417 Posts: 620Member

    Remember my drawings...oh wow, you're from way back.
  • srspicersrspicer391 Posts: 335Member
    Liking it so far!
  • FreakFreak1088 Posts: 4,361Member
    Very Cool!
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