It's sad, given the amount of work Andrew Probert did on the Enterprise refit, including planning things out like where the internal structures would go, all for them to screw that all up in Star Trek 5 and 6. I know the TMP through Star Trek 4 bridge set was repurposed to be the battle bridge on TNG and they had to build a new bridge set, but it honestly can't be that hard to figure out.
It's sad, given the amount of work Andrew Probert did on the Enterprise refit, including planning things out like where the internal structures would go, all for them to screw that all up in Star Trek 5 and 6. I know the TMP through Star Trek 4 bridge set was repurposed to be the battle bridge on TNG and they had to build a new bridge set, but it honestly can't be that hard to figure out.
So I've scratched thar version and started another redesign. Which will try and incorporate the layout into a design that keeps as close to a "upgraded/dated" not replaced
Ent-E was to big to see its secondary hull photon bays—but here it is perfect. Not enough has been done with secondary hull details as with saucer details….you have corrected that well.
Ent-E was to big to see its secondary hull photon bays—but here it is perfect. Not enough has been done with secondary hull details as with saucer details….you have corrected that well.
It was a point of contention if it was going to be a empty mounting point, a sleek torpedo or a third cannon.
I think the Torpedo fixes that and adds balance to the over all look. The shape might change as i slowly work down the model (tying a top down approach otherwise i keep bouncing here and there)
I think the Torpedo fixes that and adds balance to the over all look.
A secondary hull should always have a deep chest to keep the smiling swan motif.
For a more angular secondary hull to match a Diane Carey type octagonal saucer…a might have a stair-stepped look—and right where your lowers torpedo bay is…a smaller dish turret whose base is at a 45 degree angle…such that…if it rotated half a turn…it would point straight down…another turn—and it faces forward.
in 2290-91 the USS Daring was in the Cestus III Shipyards for the final Refit. The warp engines, a retrofit to take on warp-field theory advancements and miniaturizations reflect the final configuration of the ship before she was finally decommissioned into the mothball fleet in 2298, and ultimately struck in 2299.
The only remains of the Daring Class are a deck plate and comissioning plague, on display, at the fleet museum.
in 2290-91 the USS Daring was in the Cestus III Shipyards for the final Refit. The warp engines, a retrofit to take on warp-field theory advancements and miniaturizations reflect the final configuration of the ship before she was finally decommissioned into the mothball fleet in 2298, and ultimately struck in 2299.
The only remains of the Daring Class are a deck plate and comissioning plague, on display, at the fleet museum.
I would like to point out that a lot of the newer ships decommissioned in 2298 were likely reactivated 2374-2375 during the Dominion War, as Starfleet losses started to mount. Due to the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud, the Federation likely wasn't for want on new construction materials, so most likely, some examples of every class lasted that long.
Whether they survived the war would be a different issue, of course.
in 2290-91 the USS Daring was in the Cestus III Shipyards for the final Refit. The warp engines, a retrofit to take on warp-field theory advancements and miniaturizations reflect the final configuration of the ship before she was finally decommissioned into the mothball fleet in 2298, and ultimately struck in 2299.
The only remains of the Daring Class are a deck plate and comissioning plague, on display, at the fleet museum.
I would like to point out that a lot of the newer ships decommissioned in 2298 were likely reactivated 2374-2375 during the Dominion War, as Starfleet losses started to mount. Due to the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud, the Federation likely wasn't for want on new construction materials, so most likely, some examples of every class lasted that long.
Whether they survived the war would be a different issue, of course.
This is the slow development for her story.
"In 2290 The USS Daring underwent a last major refit that would serve to represent the final configuration that the Daring, Decoy, Defender and Vampire - The adroit never left the the refitting stage due to ongoing issues with system integration and was generally canibalised to maintain the other ships. The Adroit was decomissioned in 2293, and struck the same year to serve as parts for her other sisters.
Over the course of the next decade the Decoy, Defender and Vampire would be mothballed and struck from service despite the regional uncertainty with the power vacuum left by the klingon empire. The last of them, the Daring herself was decommissioned in 2298 to the mothball fleet before being ultimately struck from the Starfleet register in the twilight 2299.
in 2300 The Daring was being towed for scrapping and seemingly in a final act of defiance she broke the tractor beam and collided with a nearby asteroid. An attempt was made to remove her from the asteroid leading to the damage of the recovery vessel before it was decided to simply scrap the ship where she lay.
One of her original deck plates, commissioning plaque and tactical station remain preserved on Cestus III
I would like to point out that a lot of the newer ships decommissioned in 2298 were likely reactivated 2374-2375 during the Dominion War, as Starfleet losses started to mount. Due to the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud, the Federation likely wasn't for want on new construction materials, so most likely, some examples of every class lasted that long.
Whether they survived the war would be a different issue, of course.
There's really no reason for Starfleet to decommission a "newer" ship at all, unless there's a problem with the design, or there's a special circumstance. I think we can assume that most of the ships being decommissioned in the 2290s would have been older ships. The Enterprise-A was being decommissioned at that time simply because there was another Enterprise being built, which would be a special circumstance. After all, the ship was barely a decade old at the time.
Working on the chonk bridge for the Undiscovered era bridge
One thing you may consider—perhaps for a later project. I have seen some TMP dreadnought bridges that have two docking ports to either side—so as to not have the aft of the bridge look so chopped off.
But if you were to put a scaled down sensor tower like that of the Ktinga..just behind a bridge as an upward rocketing escape pod..it would mirror TOS’ turbo lift bustle that has folks arguing over the bridge angle…the flying buttress bumps to either side the turbolifts of course.
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It's sad, given the amount of work Andrew Probert did on the Enterprise refit, including planning things out like where the internal structures would go, all for them to screw that all up in Star Trek 5 and 6. I know the TMP through Star Trek 4 bridge set was repurposed to be the battle bridge on TNG and they had to build a new bridge set, but it honestly can't be that hard to figure out.
So I've scratched thar version and started another redesign. Which will try and incorporate the layout into a design that keeps as close to a "upgraded/dated" not replaced
Working on the chonk bridge for the Undiscovered era bridge
Ent-E was to big to see its secondary hull photon bays—but here it is perfect. Not enough has been done with secondary hull details as with saucer details….you have corrected that well.
It was a point of contention if it was going to be a empty mounting point, a sleek torpedo or a third cannon.
I think the Torpedo fixes that and adds balance to the over all look. The shape might change as i slowly work down the model (tying a top down approach otherwise i keep bouncing here and there)
Type 5-Compact
Type15 Shuttle pod.
A secondary hull should always have a deep chest to keep the smiling swan motif.
For a more angular secondary hull to match a Diane Carey type octagonal saucer…a might have a stair-stepped look—and right where your lowers torpedo bay is…a smaller dish turret whose base is at a 45 degree angle…such that…if it rotated half a turn…it would point straight down…another turn—and it faces forward.
Getting the warp engine up to a high res and detailed state.
in 2290-91 the USS Daring was in the Cestus III Shipyards for the final Refit. The warp engines, a retrofit to take on warp-field theory advancements and miniaturizations reflect the final configuration of the ship before she was finally decommissioned into the mothball fleet in 2298, and ultimately struck in 2299.
The only remains of the Daring Class are a deck plate and comissioning plague, on display, at the fleet museum.
I would like to point out that a lot of the newer ships decommissioned in 2298 were likely reactivated 2374-2375 during the Dominion War, as Starfleet losses started to mount. Due to the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud, the Federation likely wasn't for want on new construction materials, so most likely, some examples of every class lasted that long.
Whether they survived the war would be a different issue, of course.
This is the slow development for her story.
"In 2290 The USS Daring underwent a last major refit that would serve to represent the final configuration that the Daring, Decoy, Defender and Vampire - The adroit never left the the refitting stage due to ongoing issues with system integration and was generally canibalised to maintain the other ships. The Adroit was decomissioned in 2293, and struck the same year to serve as parts for her other sisters.
Over the course of the next decade the Decoy, Defender and Vampire would be mothballed and struck from service despite the regional uncertainty with the power vacuum left by the klingon empire. The last of them, the Daring herself was decommissioned in 2298 to the mothball fleet before being ultimately struck from the Starfleet register in the twilight 2299.
in 2300 The Daring was being towed for scrapping and seemingly in a final act of defiance she broke the tractor beam and collided with a nearby asteroid. An attempt was made to remove her from the asteroid leading to the damage of the recovery vessel before it was decided to simply scrap the ship where she lay.
One of her original deck plates, commissioning plaque and tactical station remain preserved on Cestus III
There's really no reason for Starfleet to decommission a "newer" ship at all, unless there's a problem with the design, or there's a special circumstance. I think we can assume that most of the ships being decommissioned in the 2290s would have been older ships. The Enterprise-A was being decommissioned at that time simply because there was another Enterprise being built, which would be a special circumstance. After all, the ship was barely a decade old at the time.
Its taken me far too long to get to this point haha!. But im building in some visual story telling into it:
so you can see where they retrofitted parts or modified the Original refit nacelle to make room for warp coils etc.
All ships need a patch.
The shape of her legs is sorted out. Now just working on the stockings (details)
Just a few more greeble tweeks - but the nacelle is about 90% done.
One thing you may consider—perhaps for a later project. I have seen some TMP dreadnought bridges that have two docking ports to either side—so as to not have the aft of the bridge look so chopped off.
But if you were to put a scaled down sensor tower like that of the Ktinga..just behind a bridge as an upward rocketing escape pod..it would mirror TOS’ turbo lift bustle that has folks arguing over the bridge angle…the flying buttress bumps to either side the turbolifts of course.
The Daring is Finally wearing her legs!
Incl. Some visual story telling for the lineage.
and, here is the side by side.