Very cool, you've done a real nice job there guys, the reflectivity on the consoles and shiny surfaces is just right, it is too easy to go overboard with that effect and make everything too shiny, but you've got a nice, subdued and subtle effect on there. A very cool and realistic looking bridge. Great work.
:rolleyes:Well, hello! A bit of a change from the crew head "extreme make-over" to the crew break-room, which is right down the hall. You'll remember the theme decor a little from our ever-popular Star-globe Lounge. Enjoy...
looking good not really much of a fan fo the red and blue color scheme tho but looks good none the less
I agree with colbmista: Great modelling, but the decor itself is a little (lot) ostentatious for my tastes... Maybe if I was a Ferengi I'd like it a bit more
I agree with colbmista: Great modelling, but the decor itself is a little (lot) ostentatious for my tastes... Maybe if I was a Ferengi I'd like it a bit more
Ostentatious - n. 1. Pretentious display meant to impress others; bold showiness. 2. Archaic- The act or an instance of showing; an exhibition, being showy usually in an attempt to get others to notice. Synonyms: showy, pretentious, garish, grandiose, gaudy
:rolleyes: Well, guys, that about covers it... one of the main reasons cgi designers and modellers post in forums like this is to show off their work and get others to notice. Whether colorful or bland, complex or simple, everyone has their version of this ship or that robot. Really it's their beefed-up opinion.
Well, our opinion lends to class and elligance with a kick in the teeth, much like the decor of Captain Nemo's Nautilus if you remember. From the inside out, this ship is one classy lady with form and grace and we want people to know about it. Maybe they will see what we see, or maybe they will just pass on by. But one thing for sure.... there will only be one Grandeur.
Love this bridge & all the new interiors. "U.S.S. Federation-One" Someone crop a pic of Barack Obama in a Starfleet Admiral's uniform, admiring things off to one side of the bridge on an inspection.
I've been enjoying the progress on this ship and love most of the design decisions made thus far.
That said...
The head is - to my eyes - an utter break from the aesthetic. It honestly looks like a plastic-laminate version of a c.1986 Vegas Casino bathroom designed by rubes who grew up imagining that "luxury" meant cramming every square foot of space with imitations of the most expensive materials they could lay their hands on. Be careful carrying the "Grandeur" idea too far. The world is filled with people who think the idea of luxury is measured by the number of square meters of precious materials. That's just not the case. Luxuriousness (with good taste, anyway) has always been about the measured and proportionate use of rare and beautiful materials. The head is overdone and overwrought.
It smacks of a culture in decline. Not one of ascendancy.
Sorry about that rant. Like I said, I really have been enjoying the progress with the rest of the ship and think you guys have designed some really terrific sets!
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I'd suggest reconsidering the obvious "cross" iconography of the doors, but I'm not sure what you guys are up to about that.
Understood... And everyone is entitled to their opinion. We are leaning in our design syle to many of the medieval standards, which are exactly the way you have mentioned... a little crowded at times with "crosses", ellaborate gold frames, fleur de lis, decorative trim, marble... you get the picture.
Understood... And everyone is entitled to their opinion. We are leaning in our design syle to many of the medieval standards, which are exactly the way you have mentioned... a little crowded at times with "crosses", ellaborate gold frames, fleur de lis, decorative trim, marble... you get the picture.
I think these things put the Grand in Grandeur!:thumb:
The cross is there because we are a Christian group.
OK, I did not know that. It's curious, I have to say, especially given Gene Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek. No where on the Grandeur website indicates this is the case as far as I can tell. Can you expound upon the reasons behind that?
OK, I did not know that. It's curious, I have to say. No where on the Grandeur website indicates this is the case as far as I can tell. Can you expound upon the reasons behind that?
does it really matter if it christian or not they have it cuz thats what they beleive in
No, it doesn't really matter. But I find it curious since Gene Roddenberry was a secular humanist and conceived of the Star Trek universe as at least agnostic and most likely atheist. So that's why I'm just curious as to why a particular starship crew would identify as a Christian group and include Christian iconography in the designs of the ship. That's all. I'm not interested in a religious debate, I'm just wondering about the reasons why the Grandeur crew chose to integrate that into their tale, since it seems to be at odds with the rest of the Star trek canon. It's OK by me if they do! I'm just wondering!
I'll say it. The bathroom is an interior designers nightmare. It looks like something Tammy Fay Baker and Imelda Marcos would design thinking it looks "sophisticated" and "regal" but came out looking like the white trash version of Elvis' toilet.
It totally brings down everything else that has been designed for this ship.
Just to be clear, it's not poor modeling. It's just gaudy design.
as on of the people who did graphic works for the ship, i find this statement really offending!
Sorry, but it's true. The ship, bridge and auxiliary craft have all been master strokes. The bathroom, and to some extent the breakroom, hurts the eyes with the colors and materials used. It's garish.
Not wanting to wade into any argument about what this ship or its crew should be about, but here's a note about Roddenberry's religious views, particularly as they relate to Star Trek:
That's not to say there's no room for religion in the fanfic world (indeed, there are plenty of ways to spin that which would remain consistent with Roddenberry's ideas), just that he was fairly clear about what its role was with regard to the majority of the Federation. Note that McCoy was at least somewhat religious ("Jim! You don't ask the Almighty for his ID!") and there would almost certainly be some groups even within the Federation that would hold on to those beliefs even in the midst of a highly secularized society. I think you'd really just need to put the extra effort into how they ended up with a starship all to their own, unless those visual references are only intended to represent the makeup of the fanfic group itself and not part of the fictional universe you're creating.
Regarding the loo, I honestly can't say I totally disagree with that statement purely from a design perspective, especially within the context of the Starfleet design ethic, though surely there are far better ways to have put that? Over the top possibly, but maybe there's some specific reason for that (diplomatic vessel primarily ferrying dignitaries? megalomaniacal captain, perhaps? ). If there's a reason for the design choices made, it's worth weaving those into the story somehow.
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Very cool, you've done a real nice job there guys, the reflectivity on the consoles and shiny surfaces is just right, it is too easy to go overboard with that effect and make everything too shiny, but you've got a nice, subdued and subtle effect on there. A very cool and realistic looking bridge. Great work.
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You'd have to ask Tobias. He is the modeler.
I agree with colbmista: Great modelling, but the decor itself is a little (lot) ostentatious for my tastes... Maybe if I was a Ferengi I'd like it a bit more
Ostentatious - n. 1. Pretentious display meant to impress others; bold showiness. 2. Archaic- The act or an instance of showing; an exhibition, being showy usually in an attempt to get others to notice. Synonyms: showy, pretentious, garish, grandiose, gaudy
:rolleyes: Well, guys, that about covers it... one of the main reasons cgi designers and modellers post in forums like this is to show off their work and get others to notice. Whether colorful or bland, complex or simple, everyone has their version of this ship or that robot. Really it's their beefed-up opinion.
Well, our opinion lends to class and elligance with a kick in the teeth, much like the decor of Captain Nemo's Nautilus if you remember. From the inside out, this ship is one classy lady with form and grace and we want people to know about it. Maybe they will see what we see, or maybe they will just pass on by. But one thing for sure.... there will only be one Grandeur.
There is no accounting for taste.....
Why would you tarnish this piece of art with...that?
That said...
The head is - to my eyes - an utter break from the aesthetic. It honestly looks like a plastic-laminate version of a c.1986 Vegas Casino bathroom designed by rubes who grew up imagining that "luxury" meant cramming every square foot of space with imitations of the most expensive materials they could lay their hands on. Be careful carrying the "Grandeur" idea too far. The world is filled with people who think the idea of luxury is measured by the number of square meters of precious materials. That's just not the case. Luxuriousness (with good taste, anyway) has always been about the measured and proportionate use of rare and beautiful materials. The head is overdone and overwrought.
It smacks of a culture in decline. Not one of ascendancy.
Sorry about that rant.
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I'd suggest reconsidering the obvious "cross" iconography of the doors, but I'm not sure what you guys are up to about that.
I think these things put the Grand in Grandeur!:thumb:
OK, I did not know that. It's curious, I have to say, especially given Gene Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek. No where on the Grandeur website indicates this is the case as far as I can tell. Can you expound upon the reasons behind that?
does it really matter if it christian or not they have it cuz thats what they beleive in
It totally brings down everything else that has been designed for this ship.
Just to be clear, it's not poor modeling. It's just gaudy design.
as on of the people who did graphic works for the ship, i find this statement really offending!
Sorry, but it's true. The ship, bridge and auxiliary craft have all been master strokes. The bathroom, and to some extent the breakroom, hurts the eyes with the colors and materials used. It's garish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry#Religious_views
That's not to say there's no room for religion in the fanfic world (indeed, there are plenty of ways to spin that which would remain consistent with Roddenberry's ideas), just that he was fairly clear about what its role was with regard to the majority of the Federation. Note that McCoy was at least somewhat religious ("Jim! You don't ask the Almighty for his ID!") and there would almost certainly be some groups even within the Federation that would hold on to those beliefs even in the midst of a highly secularized society. I think you'd really just need to put the extra effort into how they ended up with a starship all to their own, unless those visual references are only intended to represent the makeup of the fanfic group itself and not part of the fictional universe you're creating.
Regarding the loo, I honestly can't say I totally disagree with that statement purely from a design perspective, especially within the context of the Starfleet design ethic, though surely there are far better ways to have put that? Over the top possibly, but maybe there's some specific reason for that (diplomatic vessel primarily ferrying dignitaries? megalomaniacal captain, perhaps?