The nacelles require getting used to and I would make the saucer slightly stretched forward but I love it though. A design for a hero ship. I'd love to see this ship in 3D some day
I love the saucer, secondary hull and pylons. There are no nacelles, so I shall not comment on them. However, the rings make it look like a double rotor craft more than a space ship, in my opinion. But, the rest looks great and I love your individuality, as usual. You design things like no other, which is why people enjoy your work so much. I agree with nightfever, it would be great to see it in 3D.
Thank you for keeping perfectly circular saucer and nacelles. The secondary hull is among the best--the join flawless.
One with a saucer secondary hull might be interesting.
Imagine a deployable station. The secondary hull is a lower disk, and at three triangular points above are two warp nacelles and a command saucer that surrounds/engulfs a third.
On the move, the aft two disks up top rotate out--at rest, all the disks face each other with the saucer now being a sublight monitor, leaving a symmetrical station behind with the nacelles rotated again in-board.
very good, the ring "nacelles" look like some kid of VTOL device inspired by the "helicopters" in avatar. i also rathr like the hull and the general sort of shapes used, would be good in 3d.
Thanks mate. I figured it was about time I push the shapes a bit further. I have seen a lot of wonderful designs of late by some amazing people. Some amazing shapes and details have been developed... and to some small conceit I'd like to think that I have contributed to them on some shape or level. So seeing all these ideas beginning to catch up to my mad musings, I just figured I needed to go further... And I will continue to go even further, probably to the point where people will say, "that is not a trek ship". So i guess I'm saying that I'm not just done yet
The nacelles require getting used to and I would make the saucer slightly stretched forward but I love it though. A design for a hero ship. I'd love to see this ship in 3D some day
I love the saucer, secondary hull and pylons. There are no nacelles, so I shall not comment on them. However, the rings make it look like a double rotor craft more than a space ship, in my opinion. But, the rest looks great and I love your individuality, as usual. You design things like no other, which is why people enjoy your work so much. I agree with nightfever, it would be great to see it in 3D.
They are nacelles, but they are for an experimental space folding drive and Thanks mate.
Thank you for keeping perfectly circular saucer and nacelles. The secondary hull is among the best--the join flawless.
One with a saucer secondary hull might be interesting.
Imagine a deployable station. The secondary hull is a lower disk, and at three triangular points above are two warp nacelles and a command saucer that surrounds/engulfs a third.
On the move, the aft two disks up top rotate out--at rest, all the disks face each other with the saucer now being a sublight monitor, leaving a symmetrical station behind with the nacelles rotated again in-board.
Thanks mate, you might be onto something there with a saucer hull...I designed a McQuarrie-class which did have 2 saucers... and i do have others...so maybe I'll explore some more. actually thinking on it it may have a UFO Grendizer feel to it, so it may be very intriguing to do
very good, the ring "nacelles" look like some kid of VTOL device inspired by the "helicopters" in avatar. i also rathr like the hull and the general sort of shapes used, would be good in 3d.
thanks mate... the idea actually stems first from a concept back in the early 70's for a bicycle wheel assembly, then later to motorcycles, then to helicopters, and now to house/table fans(believe it or not...lol).
Saucer section - Awesome
Stardrive - Equally awesome
Nacelles - No, they just don't look right.
I love original thinking, but sometimes, one can go a wee bit too far to be unique.
Aesthetically, this design just does not gel.
Having said that, the artistry is exception. It was well drawn.
Sorry for my honesty. I prefer to call it as I see it and not sugar coat.
That's fine, but fortunately, so do I, and what some consider to be wrong, others find np with (its perception)... most people do not realize that if you don't agree with the "status quo" then it must be wrong, but in actuality, you would notice more with things when they challenge convictions.
I appreciate critiques, but more than that, I appreciate daring. If i wanted the same old thing, i would have just posted yet another connie interpretation, but rather I choose to be daring
You may, or may not like my stuff, right or wrong, but i promise you I will go further than most
As I said on AIM, I love everything about this one... plus, it has the added bonus of being symmetrical, lol. I think the issue with the ring engines looking awkward is actually due to the side profile... I think that it's because the pylons/nacelles are facing forward rather than backward, like on the 1701-A and 1701-E, so it makes the ship look a bit short. Then again, that's only my interpretation. Still looking forward to seeing this ship rendered up nice in 3D so we can see the saucer deflector in all its glory.
Atolm I find your designs to be truly inspirational. I can see the thought processes you have gone through to push the design forward. Too often do we see the cut and pasting of different elements together and call it new. Be creative and see where it takes you. Well done as always!
Time to push the envelope again
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Well...It's interesting to look at....
Designs are easier to develop from the top plan. Focus on the side and Front view in tandem to bring it together.
Design wise the big nacelles will create drag to port and starboard.
On the up side there will be a large reduction in drag to the rear because the nacelles aren't creating a vacuole between them like Sovereign, Constitution or Excelsior. This design would be best (by traditional Trek tech) with an Obtuse Saucer like Galaxy rather than a Sovereign or Voyager saucer.
- Voyager is the standard for speed. Nacelles tucked close and don't extend back and a acute saucer. Coils larger back
-Galaxy is the standard for stability. Obtuse Saucer and moderately tucked engines. Coils that get larger back.
-Sovereign is the standard for slow. Long obtrusive engines, coils smaller going back.
I'd have to disagree with you on the Sovvy... aside from being simply newer than the VOY/Intrepid, I tend to think engines that mahoosive aren't designed to be slow. It takes a lot more power to move the 1701-E than it does to move a tiny ship like the VOY or Equinox.
I'd have to disagree with you on the Sovvy... aside from being simply newer than the VOY/Intrepid, I tend to think engines that mahoosive aren't designed to be slow. It takes a lot more power to move the 1701-E than it does to move a tiny ship like the VOY or Equinox.
It's the traditional wisdom. Newer thus better but Scimitar easily toasted Sovy's maxed speed.
What's really interesting is that it seems long engines cause more drag but increase maneuverability (Tech Manual figuring).
That means the Refit and Excelsior were extremely maneuverable at warp while Voyager is straight speed runner. Maybe that's why Tom says "Faster than light no left no right"
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One with a saucer secondary hull might be interesting.
Imagine a deployable station. The secondary hull is a lower disk, and at three triangular points above are two warp nacelles and a command saucer that surrounds/engulfs a third.
On the move, the aft two disks up top rotate out--at rest, all the disks face each other with the saucer now being a sublight monitor, leaving a symmetrical station behind with the nacelles rotated again in-board.
Thanks mate
They are nacelles, but they are for an experimental space folding drive and Thanks mate.
Thanks mate, you might be onto something there with a saucer hull...I designed a McQuarrie-class which did have 2 saucers... and i do have others...so maybe I'll explore some more. actually thinking on it it may have a UFO Grendizer feel to it, so it may be very intriguing to do
thanks mate... the idea actually stems first from a concept back in the early 70's for a bicycle wheel assembly, then later to motorcycles, then to helicopters, and now to house/table fans(believe it or not...lol).
Thanks much for that mate... I believe then, that I've done my job
will do mate, Thanks!
Wonderfull concept! :thumb:
DonAât hesitate to show us new ones.
Saucer section - Awesome
Stardrive - Equally awesome
Nacelles - No, they just don't look right.
I love original thinking, but sometimes, one can go a wee bit too far to be unique.
Aesthetically, this design just does not gel.
Having said that, the artistry is exception. It was well drawn.
Sorry for my honesty. I prefer to call it as I see it and not sugar coat.
I appreciate critiques, but more than that, I appreciate daring. If i wanted the same old thing, i would have just posted yet another connie interpretation, but rather I choose to be daring
You may, or may not like my stuff, right or wrong, but i promise you I will go further than most
Your dream can be made real... Someone is trying to do it: http://ststcsolda.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ststcsoldashipsg&thread=456&page=1#5601
That's a nice start.
Well...It's interesting to look at....
Designs are easier to develop from the top plan. Focus on the side and Front view in tandem to bring it together.
Design wise the big nacelles will create drag to port and starboard.
On the up side there will be a large reduction in drag to the rear because the nacelles aren't creating a vacuole between them like Sovereign, Constitution or Excelsior. This design would be best (by traditional Trek tech) with an Obtuse Saucer like Galaxy rather than a Sovereign or Voyager saucer.
- Voyager is the standard for speed. Nacelles tucked close and don't extend back and a acute saucer. Coils larger back
-Galaxy is the standard for stability. Obtuse Saucer and moderately tucked engines. Coils that get larger back.
-Sovereign is the standard for slow. Long obtrusive engines, coils smaller going back.
I'd have to disagree with you on the Sovvy... aside from being simply newer than the VOY/Intrepid, I tend to think engines that mahoosive aren't designed to be slow. It takes a lot more power to move the 1701-E than it does to move a tiny ship like the VOY or Equinox.
It's the traditional wisdom. Newer thus better but Scimitar easily toasted Sovy's maxed speed.
What's really interesting is that it seems long engines cause more drag but increase maneuverability (Tech Manual figuring).
That means the Refit and Excelsior were extremely maneuverable at warp while Voyager is straight speed runner. Maybe that's why Tom says "Faster than light no left no right"
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