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boberth2o0
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A Battlestar concept for the Battlestar Atlantia. It's still a WIP but I put some basic shapes for the engines so you get the idea. Comments?
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Plus, ships that are/look older, like the Galactia and Berserker Classes, have more "ribbed" sections than modern ships, like the Mercury or Valkyrie Classes, which is kinda why I'd be reluctant to give this ship a front section as modern as that on the Mercury or Valkyrie Classes.
But again, I didn't say I don't like it... I'd like to see where you go with it.
Yes, it is in between the Mercury and Galactica classes, I feel that they didn't just go from heavy exposed ribbing outside hulls to heavy armored paneled hulls. It's a middle stage middle aged ship, the Galactica being the old war bird and the Mercury/Peagsus being the newer aged warship.
I'm trying to incorporate the armored panels and larger engines of the Mercury with the ribbing and retractable flight pods of the Galactica.
Hopefully those features will mesh together well in the end to create a style that could be canon with the show.
I added some ribbing to the front end along with two forward firing thrusters more ribbing soon, I started to detail the flight pods, panels will come soon.
Well I see some things potentially wrong with this reasoning, and some facts plainly wrong so let me offer my perspective. First of all, the fact that Atlantia and Galactica were the same class of ship in TOS doesn't prove anything - in TOS we only ever saw one battlestar class. Furthermore, the Pegasus was also the same class of ship as Galactica there so really, it's not anything to go by.
Secondly, even though we did see burning hulks of Galactica class ships over Caprica, we heard Doral the reporter state in the mini something along the lines of "...Battlestar Galactica, the last ship of her class still in service.." - that doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, the Galactica was the only one of her kind in active service. Yes they built a lot of them during the war but it's an old class and they decommissioned all of them apart from the Galactica, replaced by newer classes such as the Mercury and Valkyries.The fact that we saw burning hulks of Galactica class ships simply means that Zoic's CGI team used meshes they had available at the time to create the image of a destroyed fleet. Plot wise this could be rationalized in a few ways, either they weren't really Galactica class vessels but some similar class that was slightly newer but still a relic from the first war, or the Cylons nailed a decommissioned battlestar turned into a museum (granted, this is stretching it a bit).
Lastly, when the fleet HQ is destroyed admiral Nagala, presumably the highest ranking admiral, takes command of the fleet aboard the Atlantia. Now they haven't said this was the admiral's flagship to begin with but to me it seems far more likely that the Atlantia was a Mercury class vessel. Cant' be Galactica type because of the Doral comment, and the Valkyries are small and not suitable for flagship roles (provided he had a choice).
So, the Atlantia was either the admiral's flagship already, or he chose a ship available to him at the time to take command of. Either way I find it probable it was a Mercury class or something similar to that.
newman,
In the miniseries, Doral said that there were originally only twelve Battlestars... one to represent each colony, and that Galactica represented Caprica. He meant that Galactica was the only one of those original twelve still in service... she was a museum... a relic of the bygone Cylon War era, and was about to be deactivated. That does not mean that newer Galactica-Class ships could not have been built in the interim.
Also I very much doubt a fleet flagship would be a battlestar belonging to a class that's over 50 years old when they got newer, bigger and more capable classes around.
We DID see a Galactica-Class take a direct Cylon missile hit, during the attack on the Scorpion Yards in "RAZOR"... watch it again. In any case, regarding Doral's comment... I guess we ought agree to disagree, hehe.
Newman: What you you think?
I'm with Bolian. I recently watched RAZOR again and you can clearly see ship identical to Galactica. However, it would be possible it's the same shape but not the same class....
When I designed my original battlestars, I regarded shapes and dimensions of support structures of flight pods as well as engine pods as important. Differences of the supports among those of Galactica, Valkyrie and Pegasus excited my engineering sense...:) Current design of the supports looks like Valk.'s but is quite simplified. Could you tell me your design plan of the support structures?
btw, I personally imagined that she might be the 2nd Atlantia:D, the 1st one is Galactica type and the 3rd one is Mercury class or newer class, when I saw attached images of the 1st post.
As for Galactica type, I personally assumed that there were some variants and they were grouped a few classes. So Galactica and the destroyed Galactica type BS in the mini series are belong to different classes, relation between them is similar to that of the Essex class and the Ticonderoga class carrier. I assigned my Ouroboros to Galactica type, but did not to do the same class and I gave slightly different dimensions intentionally to her ("Gen-II" in my signature means that).
And I saw a Galactica-like BS in Scorpion dockyard however, she looked larger than Galactica to me...
There are actually TWO ships in the Scorpion Yards that look like Galactica... one is clearly much larger, and some kind of variant class... but the one that gets hit with the Cylon missile... THAT one is definately a Galactica-Class ship, just as Columbia was.
boberth2o,
Keep in mind, that you can also always pay homage to TOS in your design... in the nuBSG ragtag fleet, we saw ships like the Defender and Guardian... ships with TOS BSG style engines and the such... you can probably work in those kind of engines, but maybe with some nuBSG style cowling or something, as a midway point, between the old relics like Galactica, and the newer ships like Pegasus.
@boberth2o
Yep, I see
From a viewpoint of my engineering sense, I'm afraid that support arm structures that you wrote would cause large dead volumes in the hull and decrease hull strength against torsion and/or bending forces because her hull looks fairly thin (and some parts of structural integrity of her hull are kept by ribs). When I design a vessel for the TOS BSG universe I never consider them, but do for the nuBSG universe.
Of course, it's my rule, not yours :thumb:
Anyway, I'm waiting for the next update!
@BolianAdmiral
I'll check her tonight.
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I know that it should not be discussed about this topic here, but I add my check results and thoughts.
Picture 1 is a famous shot and there are at least five vessels in it, two Valkyrie type vessels, Pegasus, one Berzerk class vessel and one unknown class vessel "A". As well known, the unknown class vessel "A" looks quite similar to Galactica, but its size is comparable to that of Pegasus.
Picture 2 is a shot when the 1st attack wave of raiders passes the left-hand side of Pegasus. In this shot, a position of the Berzerk class vessel is different from that in Pic.1. The camera would zoom up the Berserk class vessel briefly then pan to upper-right in order to shoot two Valkyrie type vessels as Pic.3.
Picture 4 shows a shot just before Pegasus' blind jumping. Two missiles near the center seemed to be aiming at Pegasus. In this picture, there are two vessels, one unknown vessel "B" and one that is seemed to be a Valkyrie type vessel (Contrast was enhanced partially, it has pods). If the vessel at lower-right in the picture was one of the Valkyrie type vessels in the Pic.1 and relative direction of the shipyards to the planet "Scorpio", the camera should be placed outside of upper-left side of the Pic.1. So, it is hard to consider that the unknown class vessel "A" and "B" are the same vessel, but I can not estimate dimensions of the vessel "B" from this shot (but the number of ribs of a upper section of her head part is nearly the same as that of Galactica).
While, I found some more inconsistency among shots such as the position of the Berzerk class vessel as mentioned above. When I watched "Razor" for the first time, I personally guessed that the two unknown class vessels are the same and the unknown class vessel "A" might be simply miss-scaled by a VFX team. I checked the scene again however, my thoughts did not change. The unknown class vessel was one of the Galactica type vessels (=== runs
This is the Galactica-Class I was talking about... this ship is NOT as gargantuan as the other ship in the background.
Again, I agree. This ship HAS to be Galactica Class. My take on the Doral quote of being the last of her kind.... I always took it as Galactica was the last ship without networked systems, not necessarily as being the last of her class.
Ask anyone who's done Graphic Games what that is, and they'll all tell you that's how you get CANNED, for poor programming skills!
That whole seen was eye candy and nothing more!