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3DTiny Trek Issue 04 - Orion Gambit WIP

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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
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  • wibblewibble1300 Weimar, GermanyPosts: 584Member
    Since you occasionally mention how laborious it is to produce this, I did wonder how far ahead you are with production.
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    wibble wrote: »
    Since you occasionally mention how laborious it is to produce this, I did wonder how far ahead you are with production.

    Really depends on my workload and how distracted I get with other things going on but I try to be about a month ahead. It makes it feel more like fun and less like a job. Like, this is my hobby I shouldn't be getting anxious about it, so I render up in advance when I can.

    And script wise, well this whole issue is written. I do occasional rewrites, the equivalent of reshoots for certain scenes when they aren't working for me cause the script isn't always what works in the render. I also have another issue written after this one that is going to be far more character driven (this one is very action heavy on the back end) and is much shorter but I've re-written it like 4 times because some of it was either too awkward or just wasn't working for me.
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    Have to say I like the original series feeling to the ship.
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    Have to say I like the original series feeling to the ship.

    Last of her era before the refits start in a few canonical years ;)

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  • wibblewibble1300 Weimar, GermanyPosts: 584Member
    That is the Moment I was waiting for. :)
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    wibble wrote: »
    That is the Moment I was waiting for. :)

    He made Avril ANGRY. And she doesn't fly off the handle when she's angry, there's a very determined focus... ;)
  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    Yeah, now you have us all waiting anxiously for the next panels.
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    Yeah, now you have us all waiting anxiously for the next panels.

    Sorry this week is going to be another tease week ;)

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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    Nice work Ashley
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  • wibblewibble1300 Weimar, GermanyPosts: 584Member
    Yeah, now you have us all waiting anxiously for the next panels.

    Sorry this week is going to be another tease week ;)

    Actually I like that you take your time to tell your story.
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    wibble wrote: »
    Yeah, now you have us all waiting anxiously for the next panels.

    Sorry this week is going to be another tease week ;)

    Actually I like that you take your time to tell your story.

    Aww thank you! I'm trying to make sure things have weight to them and especially since these aren't established characters, that they get some development time.

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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    This is really fun.
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    This is really fun.

    Thank you!

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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    edited July 11 #78
    Very good Ashley. Skree Skree. Toom, Toom, Toom.
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    Very good Ashley. Skree Skree. Toom, Toom, Toom.

    Had to get those in there!

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    Bonus frame from last week!

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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    Very good Ashley. Skree Skree. Toom, Toom, Toom.

    Had to get those in there!
    I can hear the original sound effects from TOS. Toom goes the Photon Torpedos. Skree go the phasers.

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  • wibblewibble1300 Weimar, GermanyPosts: 584Member
    edited July 20 #81
    This is really fun to read.
    Just one thought. I think I have read once that there was a writers rule for TNG that the tractor beam didn't work at warp speed. Although that of course was a rule they broke several times for DS9.
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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    edited July 20 #82
    wibble wrote: »
    This is really fun to read.
    It honestly is. I think someone else has said this but... The WORK that must go in to making these seems huge and I would imagine that it is likely more work than we realize.
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    wibble wrote: »
    This is really fun to read.
    Just one thought. I think I have read once that there was a writers rule for TNG that the tractor beam didn't work at warp speed. Although that of course was a rule they broke several times for DS9.

    If that was the case, then I'd wonder how the Enterprise was planning on towing the Constellation ANYWHERE within the next few years at impulse :p

    I figured for as much mass as they're pulling though and the massive shift in warp field geometry dragging something about their size and still ablaze, they can do it but to maintain it they had to cut power somewhere else and opted for shields.

    I just didn't want to technobabble it. ;)

    And thank you on the fun read! I admit I do this mainly because I enjoy it and it lets me put in my quirky sense of humor and what I'd like to see in Star Trek. That other people find it entertaining is a bonus! That and I think I've found a rhythm that works for me over a set of two pages and 6-8 panels.

    wibble wrote: »
    This is really fun to read.
    It honestly is. I think someone else has said this but... The WORK that must go in to making these seems huge and I would imagine that it is likely more work than we realize.

    If I already have the sets, about 40-45 minutes to set everyone up if it's a fresh scene. If I already have one saved about 20 minutes to adjust poses, facial expressions, camera placement if I think I need to change it. If there's more than three characters in scene it's a full blown 2 hour plus render time. 1-3 characters is about 35-45 minutes depending on what else is in there. My sets are pretty 'bare-bones' and aren't chunky on the textures so it makes it go pretty smoothly. Ship scenes where it's JUST the ships render insanely fast. So there's a bonus there. I do have a nice render queue up program that I can render these overnight which is very nice.

    If we're doing effects, you have a few kinds, practical (do it when I can because I can model a phaser beam or a torpedo and drop it in scene) and optical. Optical usually requires at least 3 passes and then I have to edit them in GIMP. Those would be your transporter shots (one shot with them in scene, one shot with them out of scene and one shot with JUST the characters beaming out so I can grab them quickly in GIMP as a silhouette). Same technique I'd use for a holo projection in a Star Wars shot. Lightsabers are practical ;)

    Breaking the last page down:

    Panel 1 - 140 minutes
    Panel 2 - 60 minutes
    Panel 3 - 140 minutes
    Panel 4 - 30 minutes
    Panel 5 - 150 minutes
    Panel 6 - 150 minutes

    GIMP color correction - 30 minutes overall
    Assembly in Comic Life - 45 minutes (dialogue bubbles and text placement eat up more time than you think)

    Total: 745 minutes (12 hours 25 minutes)

    That doesn't include set building or prop building time if it's something I don't already have ;) All of the sets/props in this one I had built for the page but I'd built Auxiliary Engineering specifically for this comic towards the end of last year (I think) and that took about 12-15 hours? It would have been faster but I wanted to tie it into my loose deck plans for the Aries as well as have direct ties to Main Engineering.

    That Phase II enemy bridge I'm using for the Orion ships was an 8-12 hour build and was planned as a partial set based off the blueprints. It's only meant to be used at a few differing camera angles.
  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    As a side note: I'll be out of town this weekend and I have zero idea if my internet will be available so you all might not be getting this week's pages until Sunday night or Monday unless you head on over to my DA account Thursday night at 5 PM EST ;)
  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    edited July 22 #85
    As a side note: I'll be out of town this weekend and I have zero idea if my internet will be available so you all might not be getting this week's pages until Sunday night or Monday unless you head on over to my DA account Thursday night at 5 PM EST ;)
    Well this is just unacceptable... :'(

    Have a fun trip. We'll still be here. ;)
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    As a side note: I'll be out of town this weekend and I have zero idea if my internet will be available so you all might not be getting this week's pages until Sunday night or Monday unless you head on over to my DA account Thursday night at 5 PM EST ;)
    Well this is just unacceptable... :'(

    Have a fun trip. We'll still be here. ;)

    Aww thank you! I need the break from work for sure.

    And here's a fun 'what if we used real models for Tiny Trek?' guest starring Starkiller's Valiant.

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    The Valiant is scaled to the 11ft Enterprise which puts the Aries to scale at 3ft 1 inch. ;)


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  • Rory1707Rory1707241 Posts: 244Member
    Love the Tiny Trek behind the scenes picture. Enjoy yourself and we’ll be waiting for more Adventures! 🖖🏾
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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    Cool to see the size comparison.
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  • Lizzy777Lizzy7771405 PNWPosts: 763Member
    Now I'm imagining some of the cast off-set. Touring the VFX studio, or doing interviews, or sitting at a convention panel.
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger2114 Central OhioPosts: 1,275Member
    Rory1707 wrote: »
    Love the Tiny Trek behind the scenes picture. Enjoy yourself and we’ll be waiting for more Adventures! 🖖🏾

    I haz internets! And it's been a blast so far!
    Cool to see the size comparison.

    yeah she's definitely a much smaller ship.
    Lizzy777 wrote: »
    Now I'm imagining some of the cast off-set. Touring the VFX studio, or doing interviews, or sitting at a convention panel.

    Oooo.. That'll be a great future idea!

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  • BrandenbergBrandenberg2065 CaliforniaPosts: 2,206Member
    They need more skree, skree, skree and Toom, Toom, Toom.

    On another note, just watched Celine Dion sing at the Olympics. Brought tears to my eyes. She did fantastic.
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