3DTrek Concept Ship

Ygg

Hallo Meshies,
im trying myself on a four nacelled design as i never could do one properly, here is a first raw concept
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just a first look, im currently experimenting on it

Schimpfy

I like it. Refine it some more and you've got yourself a winner.

Ygg

thanks, wish i had your skill in detailing ^^, still stuck on the nacelles

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Ygg

put some colour on it, beefed it up and gave it nacelles
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evil_genius_180

I like it so far and I'm looking forward to seeing it develop.

Ygg

thanks evil , i want to train my detailing with this too

wondering about the size now, should be more compact than the akira or prometheus but i could also see it larger, so far i have it at 16 decks (like prometheus) and about 400 meters
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Aresius

It looks similar to the Prometheus, that can't be denied.

Ygg

lol you really think so?

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excellent prometheus mesh by Ed Giddings

also good for more size relation, apart from the four nacelles - really? i took the shape from a church im designing for one of my fantasy maps, cant think of another trek ship that really looks similar, but i like the prometheus, very elegant shape

Ygg

using the mesh for inspiration if found that the prometheus has a tiny nacelle on the top, cute ^^

colour, slimer nacelles, bridge (resting on a federation badge-like shape, yesss ^^)

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Schimpfy

I am really enjoying the direction this is headed. Nice work so far. :thumb:

evil_genius_180

It's not as ugly as the Prometheus.

Aresius

I find the Prometheus looks quite agreeable. Not great, not marvellous, but deffo better than those ugly-kitbashes like the Raider-x-Intrepid (Yeager-class), or such crap....

Ygg

thanks evil, and yeah aresius, i always thought the prometheus was a slightly awkward compromise for the four nacelles and seperation mode but since i loaded it to my scene now i have new respect for the design, its more excentric than harmonic but not really bad, recently seen the yeager in a game mod, still good for a wtf moment

just some reworking of the sec hull, nacelles and some makeshift details, shuttlebay ends up being right under the bridge lol
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Schimpfy

You could move the impulse engines to the rear two points aft of the nacelle pylons and use your current impulse engine location as the shuttlebay.

Ygg

hmm, that sounds more plausible indeed, ill give it a try

Ygg

here it goes, thanks for the tip :thumb:
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Jenny

When you put your escape pods on, think about where the crew will actually be. Will there be enough people in the sponsons to justify that many escape pods?

Ygg

its where the engineers work who also designed the ship , good point though, ill give it some more later on, so far its makeshift detail - im still not that good at detailing

evil_genius_180

It's looking good, though I agree about the escape pods.

"Getting cramped.... running to..... far away escape pod!"

Schimpfy

I'll third the issue on the escape pod location. The hatches themselves look good but moving them up toward the saucer would be the best bet. I love the impulse engine set up now, by the way. Tweak that area where you're putting the shuttlebay and it'll be great. With that area you could stack shuttlebay doors (two vertically would fit) and still have clearance below the bridge. Speaking on the bridge, IMO those windows are too much. It looks like the current setup would require those windows to be open to the bridge which probably isn't a good idea strategically.

I just thought about it and phaser strips would be a good fit in the escape pod locations.

Ygg

"Getting cramped.... running to..... far away escape pod!"
well makes for good tv, dramatic running sequence, ill also work in some gaping abysses for fight scenes

agree to your points schimpfy, its makeshift detail, also feel the bridge windows are a bit big, ill rework that, now im free to make a proper shuttle area, 2 levels seem a bit high, mind the curvature next to the nozzle, i cant go over that, maybe i can combine the cylindrical part with the nozzle somehow, but it certainly has to be higher, fitting a venture or danube in there would be nice

the phasers strips are a good idea too, will do

Ygg

oh well, runabout fits, everything fine
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runabout mesh by Matthew Allen of the wolfpak

just kidding, thats clearly too small, and doesnt look like a shuttle bay, also think i shouldnt use runabouts, they are too big for a ship like this

evil_genius_180

Ygg wrote: »

"Getting cramped.... running to..... far away escape pod!"
well makes for good tv, dramatic running sequence, ill also work in some gaping abysses for fight scenes

All you need is an explosion and Stallone or Schwarzenegger running from and yelling it to make it complete.

Ygg

get to the chopp.. i mean escape poooods

btw: with the shuttle bay right under the bridge maybe the bridge officers considered additional escape pods a waste of precious ressources ^^

Aresius

About the escape pods in general, there are a few questions that you should think about; How many people do you think would be on the vessel in general? How many people would fit into one escape pod? Hence, how many escape pods do you need ; a) at least; b) at maximum.
Add another number in case you have damaged sections, and thus inaccessible escape pods.

Then comes the placing, which goes by the amount of people being (i.e. both working and living) in the whole habitable area. Look at any given area and think about the fastest route (without a turbolift in case of a breakdown of the lift-system) from that position to an escape pod; it should not take more than 2 minutes on a ship your size.
Place them in groups of even-numbers to make it both aesthetical and reasonable; one double escape pod area every 10 meters is not only a wast of space, but also obnoxious.

Ygg

very interesting aresius, i yet have to get the skill to plan a ship through like that, how many people fit in one of these standard triangle pods? by size i would guess three to five but when i count the pods on the akira class i end up with around 60 for a crew of 500, leaves it at something like 10, my ship is smaller, around 300 crew so i should fix about 30 pods i guess, the secondary hull is quite beefy so i need at least some there

quickly did a shuttle bay draft, keeping it simple for now, you were right schimpfy, works out to two levels, i know it needs detail, been battling a mean vertices error

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type 9 shuttle mesh by Mohammad 'MK84' Khair

Aresius

According to the technical manuals (most people hate them for their somewhat contradictory statements, but for such small things they're usually a good idea, or at least give you a good point to start from), the Defiant and Intrepid-type escape-pods could hold up to 6 people. Then again, most of the time, shuttles and runabouts are also counted as escape-vessels, and while a smaller type-6, type-10, type-15, and type-18 would already be crammed with 2 people, a runabout like you showed, could easily hold up to 40 passengers (again, DS9-Tech Manaual). Now considering that Jaeger (or in-verse speaking, the ASDB) designed the Akira as a shuttle carrier (hence that humongous shuttle-bay), they have a plethora of shuttlecrafts to be used as additional escape-vessels. So the escape pods could hold 6*60=360, and 3 Runabouts could hold 3*40=120, and let's have another of the smaller crafts, one which can hold 5 (shuttle type 6, 8, or probably even 9 would be that) we need only 4 more of those. Then the crew of 500 is safe (and such a huge shuttlebay likely has far more than 4 smaller shuttles and 3 runabouts....).

So, about your ship:
-How many runabouts and shuttles do you plan to have in that shuttlebay?
-How many remaining crew does that leave?
-Where are the most likely stationed?
-Which decks do you want to make focal-points for the escape-hatches?

There ya go.

Ygg

ah very interesting aresius, didnt know the akira had such big hangar bays, in the last game i played it was even considered a carrier (sacrifice of angels mod for sins of solar empire - highly recommended), makes sense then, so far i can fit in 12 type 9s which definitly carry only 2 ppl, with the figure of 6 for the pods (which to me also makes sense with teh shape - two ppl each side) ill probably fit like 45 pods and maybe design a carrier shuttle that can take the rest, the runabout is too big right now, im thinking something like the arrow class, thanks for the clarification so far :thumb:

Ygg

only minor changes, ill leave it at this for now as i have some other projects too but ill finish it later
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ill redistribute the pods and make windows and such, so far i almost have my 45

evil_genius_180

Where is all that red light coming from?

Ygg

from frustration about my broken glow effect ^^