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RAF-MX wrote: »
Easy as pie...uh...or.....A?cake?..Piece of cake?...damn it!!
Coolhand wrote: »
It's an enjoyable movie i thought, very different in tone to 2001, and far more accessible. It also ties together a lot, if not all of the loose edges, i mean ends.... from 2001 and helps make sense of that film. The miniature work and space lighting is also really nice, and in fact arguably more realistic than kubricks effects... Peter Hyams abandons the concept of fill lighting and gives us very stark lighting of the spacecraft - probably one of the reasons why this ship has proven to be difficult to reproduce, there's a lot of heavy shadow obscuring the models surfaces. On coolhands movie scale, which is unsurprisingly perhaps skewed toward scifi more than say, romcoms or period dramas, i'd give it 4 out of 5 chainsaws.;)
Coolhand wrote: »
Thanks John, i was wondering when you'd show up in here.:) I've got some great views of the engines and radiators now since the other references became available, i'll send you them along with the models when i'm done. and it was a big help to have your leonov there to reference in the viewport and snag the occasional part, definately saved me some time in working out this complex model. :thumb:
What are you going to do about the red star and "CCCP" that go above and below the ship name? These would best be suited for a decal, but you can't apply them to that kind of corrugated surface. It looks like you've modeled the rectangular shapes at the corners of the nameplate section as pyramids, but looking at the movie footage, I don't think they are: they're flat and divided into a lighter and darker triangle. The detail on the front end of the ship that you modeled as a grid doesn't seem to be correct either: if you look at the scene in the movie when the Soviet and American crews are confined to their ships, there's a shot of Captain Kirbuk looking out of the bridge windows, and that section of the nose is made of horizontal ridges.
Will the airlock adapter be included with the model kit? I suppose it would be so small it might end up having to be made of photo-etched brass. Is the ballute storage container mounted between the radiators going to be a removable part?
I can't tell from the lighting in your render whether you've modeled the panels on the module with the hexagonal cross-section just forward of the centrifuge with four long strips, or a 4x9 grid of squares as it should be. On the centrifuge habitat modules, are you going to take into account that each module has a slightly different set of greebles? It's something that I'm debating whether I should include on my model, or just use the same instanced model for all of the modules.
Good luck trying to model the aft side of the mast -- there are no good shots of it in the movie at all. Are the Planet Hollywood photos you have the same ones I've seen: a set of six photos that look like they were scanned from 35mm prints? I think the model in Planet Hollywood was the smaller 6 ft version, because it doesn't have some of the details around the engine section that can be seen in closeups from the movie. That Planet Hollywood in the Champs-Elysees went out of business a couple of years ago, so who knows where that model went now.
When you do the engine section, are you basing it off Syd Mead's drawing of the engine nozzles?
lets put it this way, here's the competition http://www.starshipmodeler.com/2001/jg_leo.htm at a similar scale, this ones a bit smaller perhaps, 11 inches vs perhaps 12-13 inch for my model.
Basically to nitpick it too closely is perhaps unreasonable given the production requirements... This is going to be the best Leonov out there, and the beauty of model making is that if you spot something you dont like, you can of course add your own improvements, make it look more like a different version or whatever.
the ship in the planet Hollywood photos is definately the 3 meter version... Remember that model is in bad shape, its been knocked about, shipped around, handled by stallone's clumsy mitts, probably.... and parts are missing, parts are wonky, some parts are broken. In order to make something that truely represents the ship in the movie, my own personal philosophy for this particular project is that its fine to grab references from where-ever and make them fit... So its in some ways a scale gestalt of all the versions in the movie. a purist might want to just use one model and stick to that for everything which is fine, but for me this is impractical.
As for the engines i'll basing it off photos of the models, is there some benefit to using syds drawings? i dont have those btw and i've yet to even begin the engines but generally i'd use pictures of the models rather than pre-production drawings as so often things change.
Eazy as Kake, Komrade.
You nailed the lower clamp details perfectly....
Cannot wait to see the Engine layout you have planned for this.
The reason I dropped this build to start with was the lack of references
there are on the Engine details.
But I know that if anyone can't work this out, it's you..
The Discovery finished looking fantastic......
I have to be honest I never seen the film. Keep meaning to, but don't get the chance. Hopefully Film 4 will show it when they do the sci-fi week/ month later on in the year.
Wow, now there are some bold and powerful statements my Brother.
While I can't argue the heavily shadowed Leonov and Discovery are much more realistic.
I can't help but be drawn to the beautiful over lit, over saturated look of Discovery and pods
Still considered one of thee best SciFi's ever made......
Can't wait to see the Engine details.
I'm always here, just missed this somehow.....
Yea, Fusion reactors and coolant systems, correct.....
Couldn't get much on this and I just couldn't get passed this in my head.
Also how the big dish attached to it's tower. Give me a shot of that when you can....
And the flight deck was another weird layout, seemed out of scale with Discovery's flight deck.
Some different angles if you please.
As for the lighting, i only mention it because its difficult to grab references from it.... I wouldn't say the movie is better than 2001, but it complements it nicely, its certainly a little more conventional and accessible to those who couldn't stomach the first movie, so if you like scifi i'd recommend it, whether you liked or hated 2001.
It's hard to compare the doors on Leonov and Discovery because the Discovery's emergency airlock is on its port side, but the Leonov's doors are starboard. Once your model is finished, it would be very instructive to put the two models next to each other and turn the Leonov around to look at the sizes of the airlock doors.
ok here's a bit more... just a little tidying here and there and then its on to the radiator spine and the engines. there's nearly 40 separate printable parts here, 16 separate modules, which all hang from the middle arm. the structure of the kit is steel reinforced throughout so should be strong enough. I'd show the internal structure of it, but thats probably best kept top secret for now:cool:
Also, have you seen this picture from the auction of the partial Discovery model? It's probably the only available reference for the scaffolding on the top ends of the centrifuge, since those parts had fallen off the miniature before it was exhibited at Planet Hollywood.
aside from that, there's a number of small details which are altogther more random, and much smaller. i might go back and add them at the end if its felt its needed.. might be nice to leave it as super-detailing for an intrepid modeller to work out, and would also simplify production slightly. needless to say, i'd have to make them up to a certain extent anyway. It might be nice to have a small sheet of details that one can cut up and apply as they like... but eh.. will see how it goes, the details are tiny at this scale.
I absolutely have not seen that image, and that would have been immensely useful earlier, not only for this, but for discovery that i completed earlier in the year. its a nice view of the scaffolding, from that angle, thanks.
these models are basically one object and one continuous surface as opposed to a collection of intersecting objects, so things are hard to change once they're set, even if they are set, doesn't mean they're 100% accurate to any particular model.
Essentially It's been something i've been meaning to check out and have left out of the whole for the meantime. Either way, In all likelihood, i'll just stitch those parts in as they are, i think they look more interesting.
But it's missing a guy and a vending machine.
Ionia is not a part of the 2001 universe, but i think you could "dock" the designs with Leonovs handy, if vomit inducing universal docking system. The same one it uses to dock with Discovery in the movie.
Indeed, we're nearing completion on the prototype of this advanced nuclear wessel, the Soviet Unions most glorious achievement... A true weapon of peace.... At least i always assumed it was unarmed, but you never know.;)
Here's an attached still from the animated feature, 2011, detailing Leonovs crew returning to a changed planet.
Only kidding, but if ever there's a year for some devine intervention, to unite humanity and make us all look up for a change, I think this is it.