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3DAmbassador-class Variant

new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
Did an Ambassador-class mess years ago, when I had an educational license to 3DS Max. Tried to learn Blender when it expired...failed utterly. But more recently I gave Blender another go, and was surprised I was able to actually pick it up this time. After I did the Starbase Waystation mesh, I started working on an Ambassador-class.

Although I started trying to follow any online reference images very carefully, I realized there were some things I didn't like and changes I wanted to make. Haven't gotten to most of them yet, as you can see from the images the mesh is still in a very WIP state.
  • The L-shaped Ambassador pylons. Wanted to try something a bit less clunky. These ones are almost the same shape, just angled.
  • Saucer deflector grid. Studio models were so busy, with a very small grid. I'm going to do something closer to the Constitution/Excelsior-class shield grids.
  • Secondary hull deflector grid & clours. Why does the shield grid look painted on?
  • Bridge module. Should have conference room and ready room visible at some point.
  • Although I did update the nacelles and a few other items to the newer studio model version, I'm not adding the lower shuttlebay.

My excuse for deviating is that this particular ship is, like Starbase Waystation, from a fan-fic series. And it had several repairs, refits, even a full rebuild. So that's my excuse for taking liberties.
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  • Warp Propulsion LaboratoryWarp Propulsion Laboratory816 BrooklynPosts: 257Member
    Very nice, especially the canted pylons. Looks more graceful than the original.
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  • count23count23297 Posts: 714Member
    Welcome!

    the pylons definitely do make a difference, it's closer to the Probert C. My only gripe and this isn't your design personally but you have the chance to fix it. The bussards should be completely clear of the saucer, that's what throws the front view off to me.

    also, regarding your deflector grids, if you take a look at Rick Sternbach's original C blueprint, you can see the grid pattern he designed which is exactly what you were after, the Constitution/Excelsior style.

    Keep it up, can't wait to see it finished.
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  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Yeah, I'm familiar with the Probert concept. It works far better with regards to showing the evolution from Excelsior to Galaxy-class, but it has some...very strange shapes that I'm not sure I like. I know the final Ambassador design was a result of the Probert design being too expensive and complex to build on a TV budget, and it certainly shows in some ways. (But I still love it!)

    I did try moving the nacelles down, as you suggested. I'm not sure how I feel about the look. I definitely don't like having the entire nacelle below the saucer rim, but maybe having the red portion of the collector visible...? I know the Yamugachi model had the nacelles moved WAY down before it was sold at auction, and I don't care for that look at all.

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  • JESJES47 Posts: 80Member
    I think that having the nacelles/pylons positioned just low enough to give the bussard collectors complete clearance is a good compromise. Honestly, I think that this looks better than the original. The 90 degree nacelle pylons just go too high, and don't look structurally sound or aesthetically pleasing IMO.
  • count23count23297 Posts: 714Member
    Yea, that's a lot better, as long as the red part has clear line of sight, it doesn't matter if the top of the nacelles don't. Just looks stylistic instead of just haphazard. Nice.

    right now with the nacelles so close to the end of the bend it has very galaxy lineage, but being raised above the lateral line of the nacelle like that at an angle still screams excelsior, so your variant is now looking like a good clear progression from Excel to Galaxy.

    And you're right, too low is not good, that was done apparently as the Yama model was damaged prior to auction, it's nacelles were high for the Emissary appearance.
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    Current Projects:
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  • psCargilepsCargile377 Posts: 611Member
    I agree, much better pylons.
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Maybe here? The red part of the collector is below the saucer 'rim'...part of it is still behind the lower part of the saucer, but I'd have to move it a LOT to get clear of that.

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  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
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    Barely spent any time on this lately, but I did learn how to have the glow effect applied only to the nacelle grills. Added some details on the pylons.

    Another change I plan to make is that I'm putting two rows of windows on the saucer perimeter. Never really noticed it, but Constitution, Excelsior, Galaxy, Miranda...most of the 'main' ship classes have two rows. Only the Ambassador and the NX-01 have a single row...and for the Ambassador it doesn't make any sense. (Unless you're building a physical model in a hurry and on a budget and want to cut corners?)
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  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Trying to figure out a more modernized navigational deflector...the dish in the middle isn't finished, I'm trying to figure out the outer area. The part that was the only component of the nav deflector on the original model.

    Also introduced a curve to the front of the neck, instead of sharp corners.

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  • billtfargobilltfargo331 Posts: 5Member
    Personally, I like the fourth one (darker outer ring, blue ring, brownish ring, blue ring/dish). To me, the unlit one is too dark, and the others just don't quite feel right to me. Of course, my opinion matters non, as this is your wonderful project.
  • Vortex5972Vortex5972209 Posts: 1,116Member
    1st or 4th one.
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    From comments here (and a few other places), these appeared to be the popular options:

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    Also tried it with the copper-coloured backing, as that fits more with TNG, I think...

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    The feedback I got from some friends was they thought the version with the dark grey backing looked better, but the version with the glowing blue backing was closer to the original model.

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  • publiusrpubliusr289 Posts: 1,424Member
    I like the middle version above
  • darkthunderdarkthunder367 SwedenPosts: 76Member
    3rd one
  • Hunter GHunter G477 Posts: 383Member
    I do like this a lot better than the original. And I like the 2nd one
  • ashleytingerashleytinger818 Central OhioPosts: 781Member
    The third one
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Is there any benefit in giving some 'lift' to the dark blue areas of the saucer? We see
    so much of this sort of thing on the newer ship classes...if they'd had the budget to be more creative with the Ambassador, could this have been a thing?

    I really don't know if I like it or not...

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  • count23count23297 Posts: 714Member
    For the Amby? no, i think leave them as just painted detail and draw shield lines around the perimeter.
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    Current Projects:
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  • Vortex5972Vortex5972209 Posts: 1,116Member
    Maybe if you make it more subtle?
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Vortex5972 wrote: »
    Maybe if you make it more subtle?

    Yeah, I think I'll experiment a bit more.
    count23 wrote: »
    For the Amby? no, i think leave them as just painted detail and draw shield lines around the perimeter.

    Doing this section raised would make the shield lines more difficult. One reason why I may abandon the idea entirely.

    But I am enjoying playing around with different ideas...
  • ashleytingerashleytinger818 Central OhioPosts: 781Member
    Yeah this era and the early TNG was very smooth hulls. We didn't get the raised hull portions until the Ent-E. It's a neat idea though.
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Speaking of experiments, this is roughly what I have in mind for the impulse engines. Again, staying very similar to the original design, I just think for a ship this size it needs to be...beefier. Not to the extent of "Enterprise-B extra saucer engines" (though I really like those). But something bigger than the canon version.

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  • darkthunderdarkthunder367 SwedenPosts: 76Member
    new_purple wrote: »
    Speaking of experiments, this is roughly what I have in mind for the impulse engines. Again, staying very similar to the original design, I just think for a ship this size it needs to be...beefier. Not to the extent of "Enterprise-B extra saucer engines" (though I really like those). But something bigger than the canon version.
    While we're on the subject of experimentation...

    This may be a radical idea (and would definitely change the look and feel from the canon version), but one idea I always liked is maybe integrating the impulse engines into the "saucer rim", rather than being on top of or plastered onto the back end which most versions are.

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  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    new_purple wrote: »
    Speaking of experiments, this is roughly what I have in mind for the impulse engines. Again, staying very similar to the original design, I just think for a ship this size it needs to be...beefier. Not to the extent of "Enterprise-B extra saucer engines" (though I really like those). But something bigger than the canon version.
    While we're on the subject of experimentation...

    This may be a radical idea (and would definitely change the look and feel from the canon version), but one idea I always liked is maybe integrating the impulse engines into the "saucer rim", rather than being on top of or plastered onto the back end which most versions are.

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    The thought did occur to me. I think given the impulse engine layouts of the Excelsior-refit and Galaxy class ships, the small, puny little impulse engine on the Ambassador neck *should* have been augmented with saucer impulse engines.

    One other thought that occurred to me was that instead of adding full saucer engines, it might makes sense to beef up the aft saucer maneuvering thrusters. Every other class of ship gives the saucer impulse engines for separated flight mode...Ambassador should have *something*...
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  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    Hmm. I don't think I like this look. But it was worth trying out...
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  • count23count23297 Posts: 714Member
    Yea, not bad, kinda aligns with the style i was thinking of for how they'd look. I'd be borrowing inspiration from the galaxy class for their shape and how they embed into the saucer.

    The other approach to try is from the original probert concept which had the Ambassador's saucer engine in the same place as the excelsior class, you can kinda see it in the shape of the neck where it meets the saucer.
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  • johnl2112johnl21128 Posts: 20Member
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    I like your work and modifications so far, and I think the saucer impulse engines work here MUCH better than on the Excelsior Refit class. I have a thought re: the Bussard collectors; I was never really sold on them being red. Made sense for an NTSC show where you couldn't see stuff well, but it seems like... kinda...weird... in detail. I think some sort of black grid/intake thing makes more sense... perhaps with a subtle diffuse red glow of ionized hydrogen somewhere inside the works... and re: warp drives in general, I don't think it makes sense to have the warp coils always lit, unless what we are trying to establish is that the Ambassador/Galaxy class achieve any impulse speed at all, by always having a low level warp field to help "lower" the mass of the ship.

    But otherwise great work.

    Oh and one last thing. Since what made it onto the screen was basically Sternbach bashing together the general impression of the Probert design with basic shapes, no need to apologize or need to justify it not being screen accurate.

    I don't think that makes much sense at all except for the Connie refit and the non-refit Excelsior as those are based on highly detailed studio models (and even then, just change the name of the ship and modify as you like, hell ILM did it.)
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  • ashleytingerashleytinger818 Central OhioPosts: 781Member
    I like the idea of some saucer impulse engines, but maybe more integrated into the hull a bit? Maybe they only fire up in the case of saucer separation or other emergencies?
  • new_purplenew_purple35 Posts: 16Member
    johnl2112 wrote: »
    I like your work and modifications so far, and I think the saucer impulse engines work here MUCH better than on the Excelsior Refit class. I have a thought re: the Bussard collectors; I was never really sold on them being red. Made sense for an NTSC show where you couldn't see stuff well, but it seems like... kinda...weird... in detail. I think some sort of black grid/intake thing makes more sense... perhaps with a subtle diffuse red glow of ionized hydrogen somewhere inside the works... and re: warp drives in general, I don't think it makes sense to have the warp coils always lit, unless what we are trying to establish is that the Ambassador/Galaxy class achieve any impulse speed at all, by always having a low level warp field to help "lower" the mass of the ship.

    But otherwise great work.

    Oh and one last thing. Since what made it onto the screen was basically Sternbach bashing together the general impression of the Probert design with basic shapes, no need to apologize or need to justify it not being screen accurate.

    I don't think that makes much sense at all except for the Connie refit and the non-refit Excelsior as those are based on highly detailed studio models (and even then, just change the name of the ship and modify as you like, hell ILM did it.)

    Thank you. :)

    You're right that the Bussard collectors being red don't make much scientific sense...I think the in-universe explanation for the glowing nacelle grills was that the warp core was still providing energy for the ship, and any excess plasma had to be vented. But I'll admit, the main reason I keep them glowing is because it looks cool. :grin:
    I like the idea of some saucer impulse engines, but maybe more integrated into the hull a bit? Maybe they only fire up in the case of saucer separation or other emergencies?

    Yeah, the TNG Technical manual basically said the Galaxy saucer engines were only used when separated, or when certain levels of acceleration were required. One of the problems I'm running into is that the position of the warp nacelles limits where I can put saucer engines...unless they're only used when separated. Doing Probert/Excelsior style engines would look strange, I think.

    Beefing up the after maneuvering thrusters might still be an option, when I get to that point. Or maybe have the saucer impulse drive hidden by the 'neck', and only visible after separation. Sounds like a fairly big design flaw, if someone turned it on at the wrong time. :pensive:

    I may move on to other parts of the model and come back to this one later.
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