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3DUSS Triton

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  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    Well any moral or health issues aside, for me the thought of being packed into a metal tube with 50 other souls and 2 pressurised water reactors for potentially as long as the supplies last, is not something that's ever really appealed to me. Then add the hostile environment that the craft had to operate in...

    I really do have the greatest respect for those who can tolerate that... and literally risk life and limb to do it, especially in this early era of nuclear subs. I find there's something immensely creepy about nuclear powered subs, particularly this early era, and i find Triton itself is quite an intimidating looking design with its blade like vertical bow and sweeping lines.
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  • Dr-TimelordDr-Timelord0 Posts: 0Member
    The sub looks pretty cool, for a nuclear sub its shape is a definite throwback to earlier sub designs
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    i think that it looks pretty old fashioned but its definately a stylish design, i think they were definately trying to make it look classy and expensive in the style of that era, perhaps justify where some of that money had gone.

    Anyway, getting closer now... *hums jaws theme*
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  • number_sixnumber_six0 Posts: 0Member
    The bow looks somewhat like an old dreadnought bow.
    The conning tower is also an interesting design.
    Is this to be a static model, or used in an animation?
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    I'm not sure why the vertical bow, but it was common for both US and Soviet boats... I assume it provided good handling both above and below the waves, as we know a round hull is not great on the water and a conventionally ship like sloping hull is not great underwater. Might cause the bow to lift while driving forwards?

    The conning tower is a pill shaped little pressure hull in the bottom of the sail and you can't see it from the outside, the captain can sit in it and operate the periscopes and someone can drive the ship from up in there. Above that is a (presumably) free flooding room which has windows, and above that some sort of open platform which i always incorrectly assumed was the conning tower but is in fact, the bridge.

    I think you mean the sail, which is large to accommodate the radar system and a whole forest of other masts and antennas that i don't fully understand.

    As for its use, The model will be printed to make a resin kit but i'll probably paint it to make images and animations.
  • citizencitizen171 Posts: 0Member
    Coolhand wrote: »
    I'm not sure why the vertical bow, but it was common for both US and Soviet boats... I assume it provided good handling both above and below the waves, as we know a round hull is not great on the water and a conventionally ship like sloping hull is not great underwater. Might cause the bow to lift while driving forwards?
    The bow shape is all about sacrificing underwater performance for surface performance, I believe a forward sloping hull is used to keep water off the deck, forward sloping breaks the bow waves away from the deck, vertically sloping allows the water to ride up the bow and over at much lower speeds and calmer water.

    In a sub you kind of want the water to rise over the deck when you're diving, so you don't want to make that more difficult to achieve, you also don't care if water comes over the bow while on the surface.
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    well exactly, on many vessels you dont want a 'wet bow' so a surface ship might have this highly sloped bow, which helps it ride over the waves as you say... the shape pushes the boat up out of the water, so its exactly the shape you dont want if you want to submerge and also if you want to maintain your attitude underwater, a sloped hull will push the bow up as much underwater as above... if you fought that by trimming your foreplanes down or whatever, you're losing efficiency, you're losing speed... so for a shape to do well underwater, as the water flows over it as you're pushing forwards at 30knots, you want a shape that generates neutral lift.
  • Road WarriorRoad Warrior197 Posts: 797Member
    Steve you going to add other boats to this line?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578) Another cool boat from around the same time.
    Wasn't sure if you covered this earlier or not.
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    oooh, my next project is going to be VERY interesting to SFM'ers, not saying anything at this point... its not a sub or even anything based on a real thing, but nearly everyone here will be very familiar with it.
  • Road WarriorRoad Warrior197 Posts: 797Member
    I do not recall you being more vague :) Except when you go on about Recticulans...
  • citizencitizen171 Posts: 0Member
    Coolhand wrote: »
    oooh, my next project is going to be VERY interesting to SFM'ers, not saying anything at this point... its not a sub or even anything based on a real thing, but nearly everyone here will be very familiar with it.
    Lord of the Rings porn?
  • number_sixnumber_six0 Posts: 0Member
    Coolhand wrote: »

    I think you mean the sail, which is large to accommodate the radar system and a whole forest of other masts and antennas that i don't fully understand.

    As for its use, The model will be printed to make a resin kit but i'll probably paint it to make images and animations.

    Both the sail and the conning tower, I find both to be interesting,
    the sail being so large ( for all the antennae, as you say) and
    the interior of the conning tower, other designs may be
    similar internally, albeit more modern, but I love the older
    designs for the bulkiness.

    It's my understanding that the conning tower and
    sail is to be part of a park in Bremerton:

    Wikipedia Link

    Hmmmm, resin kit.

    Sounds like I may be contemplating an acquisition for my model cupboard. :lol:
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    I do not recall you being more vague :) Except when you go on about Recticulans...

    I have no knowledge 'Reticulans'... Get this terrible headache whenever someone mentions that, then my phone starts playing up.
    citizen wrote: »
    Lord of the Rings porn?

    No, not this next one anyway...
    number_six wrote: »
    It's my understanding that the conning tower and
    sail is to be part of a park in Bremerton:

    Yep, and no doubt the magical fun houses which powered the thing will be with us for some time too, somewhat harder to visit though.


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    I had some images somewhere of the inside & outside of the conning tower after it was gutted from the structure - it just looks like a big old rusty water tank or something from the outside but the inside is still in good condition.
    number_six wrote: »
    Hmmmm, resin kit.

    Sounds like I may be contemplating an acquisition for my model cupboard. :lol:

    I'm just doing the digital prototyping, but i will let you know when its available.
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    hull more or less done...
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  • Road WarriorRoad Warrior197 Posts: 797Member
    Sweet! Now...more please!
  • AlnairAlnair180 Posts: 255Member
    Excellent work - I expected nothing less. :)
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    hey i didn't know this thread had surfaced (ho ho ho) thanks fellas, i was thinking i'd have to put some nacelles on there.
  • somacruz145somacruz1450 Posts: 0Member
    Yeah needs more nacelles :p It looks kind of short from this perspective but the execution is perfect :thumb: I like how you made all the lines and bumps subtle but still noticeable.
  • Road WarriorRoad Warrior197 Posts: 797Member
    You got those screws done yet??
  • CoolhandCoolhand241 PhobosPosts: 1,273Member
    I didn't have to make any for the miniature, this is actually attempt number 2, another sculpter had previously attempted it and a few parts were apparently left over (though my version is basically 100% new geometry) but i roughed some in anyway.

    the thing hovering over the back is a, err, thing, which houses a buoy, this was attached for the circumnavigation attempt and removed after.
    Yeah needs more nacelles :p It looks kind of short from this perspective but the execution is perfect :thumb: I like how you made all the lines and bumps subtle but still noticeable.

    Thanks, though they are actually a tad exaggerated, but thats not uncommon for 3d, you put a lot of time into an effect and you WANT to be able to see it;)
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  • publiusrpubliusr426 Posts: 1,597Member
    Coolhand wrote: »
    well exactly, on many vessels you dont want a 'wet bow' so a surface ship might have this highly sloped bow, which helps it ride over the waves as you say.

    Being a radar picket, that is what you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_picket Any plans to show her awash with antenna deployed on the surface?

    I think Triton is the closest thing we will ever have to Seaview save for NR-1. It was going to be converted to become a command ship, but that fell through. I seem to remember an advocate for her talking about the concept of subsurface towing--another use for Triton. Nice way to avoid freak waves is to go under them. Perhaps this link might inspire you: http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=9286

    Triton and the Arktika dual reactor icebreaker might have helped a Sea Dragon launch system, with Sea Launch assets used. The Soviets have a wide number of atomic vessels, like the LASH concept (Lighter abord Ship). With Baikonur winding down, Soviet shipyards could be given new life with rubles spent on a Russian Sea Dragon that had gone to the Kazakhs. Something to think about. Sea Dragon was to have an atomic carrier break down water through electrolysis. Arktika would fit that bill better.

    I was hoping that Icelandic volcano would keep spewing myself. The jetliner has all but crushed other forms of overseas transport. Zeppelins that could have engines serviced in flight, a return of the SS United States might benefit from volcanism.

    Back on topic. Your work is really fine.

    Skipjack was the Dodge Viper of the submarine world (Alfa being a Formula I)--but Triton was its USS Enterprise.
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