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3DS.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier

liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
edited February 2012 in Work in Progress #1
Here is my take on the shield helicarrier. There are a few placeholders in for now holding some places down until I get round to it.
Basically it is for VTOL's only so no need for a traditional carrier deck. The aircraft land at the rear or at the front middle pad and are generally launched by the two runways either side. It is possible for conventional aircraft to land in an emergency as the hangers can be configured in short notice to open through.
Its kept aloft by six engines not sure what type yet but I like the look of what I have now.
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  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    have you seen the supposed concept art for the Avengers movie?

    Link
  • L2KL2K0 Posts: 0Member
    i think i'd make the underside waterproof, for eventual landings...
    that structure in front doesnt look it can hold if landed, even on water...

    the pylons holding the engines look very weak. i wouldnt bet my life on them.

    i like the general look :)
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    L2K wrote: »
    i think i'd make the underside waterproof, for eventual landings...
    that structure in front doesnt look it can hold if landed, even on water...

    the pylons holding the engines look very weak. i wouldnt bet my life on them.

    i like the general look :)

    Thanks, and dont worry lots of the pieces are just placeholders for now. not sure about landing but im going from the helicarrier from the invincible iron man vol 1 it has a similar lower structure. As for the pylons they are just placeholders from my avatar helicopter model until I get round to them. the engines will be done last after everything else is finished. Started working on the bridge and have taken influences from modern combat vessels as this is set around 2020AD
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  • sorceress21sorceress21263 Posts: 577Member
    The utter and complete impossibility of this incarnation makes me not even want to consider going to see the film if it ever got made...As "fantasy" based as it is, nice model Liam...
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    yeah tell me about it!
    I dont have a clue how it would land except in a specially purpose drydock? If any of the engines where to fail or get damaged surely the weight distribution would be off by so much it would cause it to list and crash?
    There have been some preliminary concept art released by marvel apparently showing what it looks like and its s**t ha. Looks too much like it belongs in a cartoon rather than a live action film, this is my homage to it anyway but im going with current naval styling.
    Started work on some VLS's midway down the spine of the ship and began carving out the rear runway.
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  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    Really liking the command tower... Also seeing a bit of Halo Wars in the design as well...
  • JennyJenny0 Posts: 0Member
    I'm seeing a lot of inspiration from the Arleigh Burke class of destroyers. Nice job! I might have gone with a Nimitz class conning tower, or used the drawings of the America class helicopter carriers, but this fits and looks good.
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    Walkyrje wrote: »
    I'm seeing a lot of inspiration from the Arleigh Burke class of destroyers. Nice job! I might have gone with a Nimitz class conning tower, or used the drawings of the America class helicopter carriers, but this fits and looks good.

    Yeah the destroyer influenced the bridge design a lot, as for a nimitz class tower this wasn't nessacery. As the runways are internal there is no point having a dedicated aircraft control bridge on top it will be more centralized. If you look under the main bridge either side of the middle hanger entrance you can see two pillbox type booths. they control traffic around the front of the craft and there will be another control post at the rear, all three are co-ordinated by a main bridge that is internal.
    Also like you said the destroyer type bridge fits far better than a classic carrier tower.
  • JennyJenny0 Posts: 0Member
    This is intended to be informational, and not an argument with what you said. I served aboard a Nimitz class carrier, and less of the conning tower is devoted to aircraft control than you might think. Inside the tower was the bridge, the flag bridge, an operations section that served as sort of a mini-CIC, the chart room, the weather center, the signal bridge, the captain's sea cabin, and... I don't remember what-all. But most of it was devoted to running the ship, not just the aircraft.
  • AlnairAlnair178 Posts: 255Member
    The model looks great! The overall concept is questionable. But hey, it's a piece of art! Excellent work! ;)
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    Walkyrje wrote: »
    This is intended to be informational, and not an argument with what you said. I served aboard a Nimitz class carrier, and less of the conning tower is devoted to aircraft control than you might think. Inside the tower was the bridge, the flag bridge, an operations section that served as sort of a mini-CIC, the chart room, the weather center, the signal bridge, the captain's sea cabin, and... I don't remember what-all. But most of it was devoted to running the ship, not just the aircraft.

    Oh no sorry! I was glad of your input sorry if I seemed abrupt with my answer I didnt think you where arguing dont worry i did listen to what you said, the aircraft control centre at the rear will resemble the nimitz bridge a bit more keep watching there is still a lot to be added and please if you have any ideas or C&C im glad to hear it :-)
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    Started work on the interior ill do a render of that soon, have a large runway, two smaller runways for VTOL's, three decks and five elevators for aircraft and 10 for equipment and munitions.
    Also started on the doors for the vertical missile launchers.
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  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    that is looking great... getting a real Osprey feel to the rotors
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    thanks still not sure on the engines, may abandon rotors all-together and have jet type or ones similar to the helicopters on avatar?
  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    enclosed rotors like that may be a better idea IMHO...
  • BerkutBerkut0 Posts: 0Member
    that's an interesting concept, not too sure about it, but the execution is top notch
  • JennyJenny0 Posts: 0Member
    I love your inclusion of the hull number, but it should be CVH, not HCV. In WWII, Strike Carriers were CVA, Escort carriers CVE, and so on. Of course, since CVH is already used to designate helicopter-carrying ships, perhaps CVV (Cruiser Voler Voler) (Many people believe CV stands for "Carrier Vessel"; this is not so). Or, if the Helicarrier has a fusion plant to power it, perhaps CVNV? CVNX if it's a one-off experimental model.

    Yes, I think about things too much. :cool:
  • liam887liam887245 ViperPosts: 564Member
    Yeah I thought about the designation but CV stands for 'carrier vessel' so i thought hcv could stand for helicarrier vessel ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol
  • sorceress21sorceress21263 Posts: 577Member
    Liam, why not take this concept into the realm of superscience and abandon the engineering impossibility of jet or rotor lift for something that heavy..Two ways you could go that would bring some suspension of disbelief into the concept would be anti-gravity (It's S.H.I.E.L.D right? They have superscience technology in the comics some of it was even alien if I recall.) or convert your hull design into an airship.

    There is simply no way this could ever work as is. I know it's just fiction, but why not make it believable fiction. Any type of conventional power to keep this thing aloft would burn 10 times more fuel then the thing could actually carry. And the rotor system would have to be interlinked mechanically to compensate for even one engine failing, making it heavier, meaning it would need bigger engines and more fuel. Not to mention the fact that they would be so loud and create so much vibration working conditions on board would be horrible.
  • cavebearcavebear178 Posts: 623Member
    Heh, and can you imagine yourself as a pilot coming in to land so close to all those egg beaters? :o You couldn't pay me enough. But the main body sure looks good!:thumb:
  • colbmistacolbmista2 Posts: 0Member
    the roterty system doesnt need fuel it could be electric and ran buy a power plant on the ship
  • colbmistacolbmista2 Posts: 0Member
    or better yet ironmans arc reactor
  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    that would make a lot of sense actually... the Arc reactor tech would be perfect for the Helecarrier
  • sorceress21sorceress21263 Posts: 577Member
    An arc reactor would be a great integration of existing canon technology, but that still does not make the engineering aspects of this concept possible. One must understand that with aeronautical engineering, for every pound of payload you need the equivalent lift in lbs. of thrust to keep it aloft, then if you want to be able to go higher then just off the ground you have to be able to increase that thrust exponentially up to your target altitude. The amount of lift must equal the weight of the aircraft just to get off the ground let alone climb. Fixed wing aircraft achieve this with relative ease via the use of an airfoil. Helicopters use the rotors in the same way a fixed wing aircraft uses a wing, the exception being hover. In forward flight a rotary wing aircraft can fly much higher then it can sustain a hover at. To get a vehicle like this as heavy as this, at a high enough altitude to make it worth it the diameter of the rotors would have to be enormous. Much larger then depicted. And even if you have them powered by an arc reactor there is still the weight of the rotor mechanism, the rotors themselves and transmission. The thing would be so heavy it simply could never get off the ground under 1g. without having a rotor diameter so large they would become absurdly impossible.
  • JennyJenny0 Posts: 0Member
    liam887 wrote: »
    Yeah I thought about the designation but CV stands for 'carrier vessel' so i thought hcv could stand for helicarrier vessel ?

    Read the Wikipedia article you cited. In the second sentence in the paragraph describing aircraft carriers, it specifically mentions that CV does not stand for Carrier Vessel. :cool:

    The way that hull classifications work is to start with the general and work down to the specific. So a guided missile destroyer, for instance, is not a GDD, but a DDG. A nuclear carrier is not an NCV, but a CVN. A carrier's hull designation goes Cruiser (C) Voler (flying machines) (V) Nuclear-powered (N)... and then your helicarier designation. CVNH might be used, for "Heli," or CVNV to show that the ship itself is flying, or CVNX to show that it's experimental.
  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    what about an anti gravity system?
  • sorceress21sorceress21263 Posts: 577Member
    Dr Lee wrote: »
    what about an anti gravity system?

    That's the direction I'd go.
  • Dr LeeDr Lee2 Posts: 0Member
    ....but powered by an arc reactor?
  • sorceress21sorceress21263 Posts: 577Member
    Why not? You may as well stay within the canon of the story.
  • Ronson2kRonson2k0 Posts: 0Member
    Perhaps shielding around the turbines. As they are now there would be a great deal of turbulence at the blade tips something like the engines on a blimp.

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    You could still have counter rotating turbines but they perhaps would be at either end of the engine. You could also incorporate electric drive but around the engine instead of in the center. This too would increase airflow. The down draft would be pretty intense but that would be required for the weight of the ship. You could add grates to the intakes of the engines. This won't stop a downdraft incident but could save it from being much worse. If the ship is a combat ship you could have combat debris that would be prevented from entering - Remember Avatar.

    Great model though and your skills are top notch.

    Ron
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